E85 strong second hand prices?

[GP06Roadster]

Modern day classics - our lovely zeds will be going up in price in a few years... Defo a car to keep.

Not so sure.. An awful lot of electronics in a Z4 that will be very costly to repair as they age.,...[/

Sat navs etc look really terrible once the car ages and become a negative thing, they make the interior seem really dated and naff looking. I'd rather have one without if I was keeping it as an investment, I think that will be the case in 15/20 years time, collectors will be looking for cars without dated electronics and these cars will hold their values better.

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[Bing]

Ah, the old navs and nav-nots debate :lol:

 

[ranski]

The Z4 dash just looks bland and oversized without the presence of the sat nav screen


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[Bing]

It also works very well with updated maps, re-routes faster than most other navs, has reasonably effective traffic info integration, and as PVR has said is useful for many other things apart from getting you where you need to go. The only downside is when you want a route map when on a hoon as it's not programmable... But then I just make sure I don't get left behind

 

[aquazi]

Put it this way... Cars especially the higher end... M's without Nav can and do stay on the forecourt / unsold for longer then well equipped models... As they are leas desirable... So those on here who dont want nav are clearly the minority.

Personally i think the nav is rubbish, it was from the first day i drove my car (without full post code, poor graphics) bit the screen is a nice to have for other things... Music, trip computer etc.


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[MotorcyclesFish]

They'll all hold their value. This thread demonstrates that some people value the presence of a nav and some people value its absence. If you assume (I know) the greater population also exhibit this variability, you can bet you will find a guy to buy your non-nav car all excited cos he's found one without nav, and also a guy to buy your nav car who is equally as excited to find one with nav.

I'm pleased that the prices are going up, although mine won't win any concourse trophies it's always worth being in possession of something appreciating.

 

[ZedFourM]

It also works very well with updated maps

That's fine - as long as updated maps continue to be available for it (although personally I prefer a TomTom every time).

I'm considering a 996 turbo at the moment, and I've read some comments that Porsche has stopped making map updates available for that generation of sat nav. Thus it's going to become yet another electronic device that dates much more quickly than the car (like the Trafficmaster module and the analogue TV in my M5) and will become less and less desirable (IMHO) as the car gets older.

 

[EdButler]

Going along with the Nav debate - but id always go for Nav over not. It doesn't look that dated, and is great when you're in the middle of Wales having a hoon and it gives you a heads-up what is over a hill crest or the severity of a corner!

 

[srhutch]

The Z4 dash just looks bland and oversized without the presence of the sat nav screen


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This.

 

[Nondizzyblonde]

The Z4 dash just looks bland and oversized without the presence of the sat nav screen


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This.

Or elegantly minimalistic - I don't think people will ever agree on this. At the end of the day, I don't think a sat nav in an old car will increase or decrease the value.

 

[Bing]

Everyone has a different opinion, that's part of the reason not every car has it.

Back on topic, weather and time of year will be holding prices up, even pushing them up as people spot an opportunity to cash in by selling their Z at a premium. Problem is that everyone else has the same idea, so competition becomes tougher. I haven't looked at Autotrader recently - are there a lot more cars on the market ?

 

[srhutch]

Only two ///MR's on BMW AUC though which has to help with prices.

 

[Nondizzyblonde]

There aren't that many decent examples ( I looked around whilst deciding which car to sell ) and they do seem to be asking silly money for them.

 

[johnnnnnnyy]

The presence of Nav will never be a negative. The older and more "old fashioned" the dash the more desirable it becomes. Think of inkey$ M Coupe for example. The interior is really old school and all the more desirable because of it. Or think of some of the classics of the 60's and 70's. The dated interiors are part of their charm because they transport you back to that time when you sit in them. Don't forget as well that the Nav is usually accompanied by the better sound system and is also often accompanied by intravee too (not in my case though). So even though the primary use of the screen may have been overtaken by technological advances it is still a useful thing to have and people can marvel at it like we do now at those old digital watches with red numbers that only came on when you pressed the button on the side of them!

I disagree, if you look at older Jag XKR's and Aston DB7's for example the more desirable cars and the ones that hold their value are the ones without nav. There's a couple of reasons, one they look naff and spoil the lines of the dashboard. The second is because it costs a fortune to try and fix the electrics (most go wrong) as you can no longer get the parts. Most Nav systems are integrated throughout the whole car, making even more of a nightmare.
If I was looking for a classic 30 year old car, I'd certainly avoid one with 30 year old gadgets in it that I can no longer get the parts for.

 

[johnnnnnnyy]

Put it this way... Cars especially the higher end... M's without Nav can and do stay on the forecourt / unsold for longer then well equipped models... As they are leas desirable... So those on here who dont want nav are clearly the minority.

Personally i think the nav is rubbish, it was from the first day i drove my car (without full post code, poor graphics) bit the screen is a nice to have for other things... Music, trip computer etc.


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We're talking about future classic cars...not current cars. Most people want Sat Nav these days in a modern car.

 

[original guvnor]

The presence of Nav will never be a negative. The older and more "old fashioned" the dash the more desirable it becomes. Think of inkey$ M Coupe for example. The interior is really old school and all the more desirable because of it. Or think of some of the classics of the 60's and 70's. The dated interiors are part of their charm because they transport you back to that time when you sit in them. Don't forget as well that the Nav is usually accompanied by the better sound system and is also often accompanied by intravee too (not in my case though). So even though the primary use of the screen may have been overtaken by technological advances it is still a useful thing to have and people can marvel at it like we do now at those old digital watches with red numbers that only came on when you pressed the button on the side of them!

I disagree, if you look at older Jag XKR's and Aston DB7's for example the more desirable cars and the ones that hold their value are the ones without nav. There's a couple of reasons, one they look naff and spoil the lines of the dashboard. The second is because it costs a fortune to try and fix the electrics (most go wrong) as you can no longer get the parts. Most Nav systems are integrated throughout the whole car, making even more of a nightmare.
If I was looking for a classic 30 year old car, I'd certainly avoid one with 30 year old gadgets in it that I can no longer get the parts for.

Well you won't be buying any 30 year old cars then will you because they'll all be increasingly gadget-laden from now on.

 

[johnnnnnnyy]

The presence of Nav will never be a negative. The older and more "old fashioned" the dash the more desirable it becomes. Think of inkey$ M Coupe for example. The interior is really old school and all the more desirable because of it. Or think of some of the classics of the 60's and 70's. The dated interiors are part of their charm because they transport you back to that time when you sit in them. Don't forget as well that the Nav is usually accompanied by the better sound system and is also often accompanied by intravee too (not in my case though). So even though the primary use of the screen may have been overtaken by technological advances it is still a useful thing to have and people can marvel at it like we do now at those old digital watches with red numbers that only came on when you pressed the button on the side of them!

I disagree, if you look at older Jag XKR's and Aston DB7's for example the more desirable cars and the ones that hold their value are the ones without nav. There's a couple of reasons, one they look naff and spoil the lines of the dashboard. The second is because it costs a fortune to try and fix the electrics (most go wrong) as you can no longer get the parts. Most Nav systems are integrated throughout the whole car, making even more of a nightmare.
If I was looking for a classic 30 year old car, I'd certainly avoid one with 30 year old gadgets in it that I can no longer get the parts for.

Well you won't be buying any 30 year old cars then will you because they'll all be increasingly gadget-laden from now on.

This debate will keep going on LOL!
We where talking about future classics? I'll give you an endless list of modern cars that come standard without gadgets, most GT's (inc Porsche GT3), Lotus, special edition Lambos & Ferrari's, Vx 220, MX 5, Corvette Z06.... I could keep going....

EDIT:
I'm also going to add to this, in 20/30 years time combustion engines will be a novelty as most modern cars will be electric powered. True petrol heads will be more worried about listening to their rare straight six, V8's petrol powered engines, rather than upgraded HiFi's and looking at outdated Sat Navs. In 30 years time we'll have interactive nav in our Sun glasses. These cars will only get used at weekends, or taken to shows... in the same way todays classic cars get used.
Take a look into the classic world, you'll then understand why outdated tech is a negative thing.

 

[ranski]

No, please don't Zzzz


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[GreyZed]

The presence of Nav will never be a negative. The older and more "old fashioned" the dash the more desirable it becomes. Think of inkey$ M Coupe for example. The interior is really old school and all the more desirable because of it. Or think of some of the classics of the 60's and 70's. The dated interiors are part of their charm because they transport you back to that time when you sit in them. Don't forget as well that the Nav is usually accompanied by the better sound system and is also often accompanied by intravee too (not in my case though). So even though the primary use of the screen may have been overtaken by technological advances it is still a useful thing to have and people can marvel at it like we do now at those old digital watches with red numbers that only came on when you pressed the button on the side of them!

I disagree, if you look at older Jag XKR's and Aston DB7's for example the more desirable cars and the ones that hold their value are the ones without nav. There's a couple of reasons, one they look naff and spoil the lines of the dashboard. The second is because it costs a fortune to try and fix the electrics (most go wrong) as you can no longer get the parts. Most Nav systems are integrated throughout the whole car, making even more of a nightmare.
If I was looking for a classic 30 year old car, I'd certainly avoid one with 30 year old gadgets in it that I can no longer get the parts for.

I take it your Zed does not have the satnav screen then?

 

[GreyZed]

I think the screens are cool. Granted the nav is shite but the screen allows you to unlock the full potential of an Intravee and have TV or a DVD player or both.