E85 Roof Latch Won't Work in Cold Weather

willxdean

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 Los Angeles
Hi all,

The roof hydraulics on my 2003 E85 Z4 are shot so I manually pull the roof up and down (not really an issue for me). Once I pull it up or down, I use the buttons to activate the latch motor and lock things into place. This works fine most of the time.

The Issue:

When the air temp is below about 73 degrees Fahrenheit (22C), the latching motor audibly and visibly is much slower in both directions. It gets to a point where it's mostly open or closed and then will start (with a loud click/thud) reversing itself back and forth for a second at time (I assume it does this when it doesn't know position?) and the buttons keep blinking red.

Usually if I sit there for a few minutes or pulse the buttons carefully I can get it fully opened or closed and the lights go off. Sometimes I have to restart the car a couple times. The ambient temperature at which it stops working has gone up from about 68 to 73 in the last year. I've had the car for about 4 years but it seems to have only really started 2-3 years ago. Haven't been able to go on many night rides with the top down. It's all very annoying!

Additional Notes:
  1. It works totally fine and quick when it's hot enough outside.
  2. Gears aren't worn out given that it works the rest of the time and isn't spinning out.
  3. Position sensors work most of the time, evidently.
  4. The little spinners in the windshield pockets for the hooks are lubed and spin freely.
  5. Everything looks fine visually.
My Ideas:
  1. Maybe the grease in the gearbox gets too stiff when it's slightly colder, adding resistance?
  2. Hall sensors affected by temperature?
  3. Motor isn't getting 12v when it's cold?
    1. The battery is fairly new, so it's not that.
    2. I haven't tested the voltage at the motor yet because I couldn't get the probes at the right angle, but I'll try tonight.
    3. I guess touchy wires could cause this, but the fact that it still works when hot and for hundreds of up/down cycles makes me think it's not that.
    4. Not sure what this would even suggest; maybe a relay?
So my question is, what could possibly be causing this?

I would really appreciate any help. Thank you in advance!
 
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