E-Petition - Rioters Should Loose All Benefits

Gerry said:
Why be gratefull for a job ? you are providing your energy to make your employer money , no one should ever feel gratefull for a job , think im starting to show my colours :D
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Reallly.... you'd hate working for me, or maybe I'd change your point of view, as I've said to those that work for me they're lucky to have been given a chance to do what they do. Can hear u saying, yeah right... We work hard & play hard, but my people have the opportunity to travel the world at someone else's expense, have a global team that all meet up every 3 months & at least 50% of what I'll be doing next week is unplanned & unexpected. My director's off on hols so suposidly running the show... well the team are, they know what to do, just tell me what I need to know & just ask for the nod if a decision needs to be made.

Sound too good to be true... well worked my nuts off for 14 years just getting by and doing dead end stuff... Then had an opportunity that led to another... that led to another... & bob's yr uncle. The pay's good, but nothing extra fancy, though in any other firm I'd be tied up in red tape, whereas my Director's motto is we make the rules... to the point for a couple of years ago of what I do is not a job and it's not just for Xmas, it's a lifestyle... Am sure it won't last forever, but am gonna make the most out of it while I can.
 
I'm with Gerry to some extent.

Its easy to take that attitude when you're at the top of whatever pile it is you're in, but he's right. Generally speaking, most employers, especially big business, treat employees as a disposable resource.

You want to try working for a US company and get to see what its like when you really are nothing more than a social security number and the shareholder is king.

There are a VERY small number of people at the top of the global pile making obscene amounts of money out of the efforts of the rest of the population - and I'm far right politically speaking so I don't say that lightly - but theres still significant room for a bit of wealth re-distribution, especially from corporate tax revenues, assuming the bastards actually pay any.
 
Exacly Lacroupe , how many countries are now struggling with finance , can it be so simple as raising tax revenue combined with austerity measures to solve these problems, it does baffle me why governments are so opposed to raising taxes ,not for the masses , the megga rich yes , when we have rooney on £ 200000 a week , ok he pays half that in tax :rofl: . As far as I know its in some ofshore account an he pays very little. He has a skill in demand and we have put him on that pedestle, we are the cause .

I tend to lean in a socialist direction, tbh not sure where I am :? I understand how markets and capitalism work , dont see much wrong with free markets ,they do work, however ,if individuals and corporations are making obscene amount of money I feel they should put somthing back ,employing a few disafected kids is not enough . The money must be kept moving , its not doing anyone any good being hoarded by the mega rich . top tip to governments raise tax for the rich , no doubt this will raise the question of qhat is rich :rofl: . Another line of thought , what right has anyone to take more resources from this planet than his neighbour , think im going to far now ,the voddy is kicking in :lol:
 
Superb Jembo Im very happy for you ( honest I am ) not many working class people feel as you do, Im sure we would all like to feel like that about work , I did feel like that when I was younger ,I was eager and had that spark, Iv been in bussines and employed people and I like to think I was a good employer. what did realy piss me of was when people confused compasion with being soft , needless to say they didnt last long.

who pays for your team traveling the world ? , ultimtly its the consumer, me , If I knew what product you produced I wouldnt by it :rofl: .

What is hard work ? this is a challenging concept ,is it measured by the energy one uses when working, is it the worth to the community, or is it how much profit can be made by pressing buttons on a laptop . The disparity in pay may be the downfall of capitalist market economies , has the revolution started, who knows.
 
Any way,, any of you signed the petition then

Talk about a thread goin of on a tangent :rofl:
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Gerry said:
Superb Jembo Im very happy for you ( honest I am ) not many working class people feel as you do, Im sure we would all like to feel like that about work , I did feel like that when I was younger ,I was eager and had that spark, Iv been in bussines and employed people and I like to think I was a good employer. what did realy piss me of was when people confused compasion with being soft , needless to say they didnt last long.

who pays for your team traveling the world ? , ultimtly its the consumer, me , If I knew what product you produced I wouldnt by it :rofl: .

What is hard work ? this is a challenging concept ,is it measured by the energy one uses when working, is it the worth to the community, or is it how much profit can be made by pressing buttons on a laptop . The disparity in pay may be the downfall of capitalist market economies , has the revolution started, who knows.
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Cheers fella, always believed you make your own luck, your own happiness & have to fight every inch of the way for it & herein lies my issue. I hear lots of people complaining rather than actively working on a solution. They mull over what's wrong again & again rather than say for example, I have 10 challenges (not problems), 3 I can do nothing about, so focus my energy on sorting the remaining 7, thinking what can I do in the shortest possible time to sort them out, be it the kidz, work, ex trouble n strife, home or the wild thing.

I know lots of people who had less than nothing in the UK that pulled themselves out of the pit, in my travels met people in Beirut who've rebuilt their lives again & again, Africa, Americas, former soviet bloc, Asia... if people think they have it bad here then screw them, they don't know how lucky they really are to be in a country where it is at least possible to find a way out.... why do you think all the immigrants want to come here??? coz despite the UK's problems, it's a zillion times better than what they have.

I'm not approaching a 6 fig salary, but I take great exception to giving any of my hard earned cash to wasters who won't, not can't, help themselves... where so many are just here to fleece the system. It doesn't surprise me then to find anyone who's worked their nuts off to say if I've got a chance to squirrel away something for a rainy day.. then I will, because some that I know who paid their taxes for years are up s**t creek without a paddle now they've been made redundant... & what is the system really doing to help these people in their hour of need... NOTHING! ...

suggest people wake up & smell the coffee, taxing those that have the wedge is not the answer coz they will up sticks & leave the UK as they are doing in their droves already... which if it carries on like this I will do... & what does that solve, nothing but creates even more problems, as even less tax layers contributing to the UK..

We may be in s**t today, but everything you've come to take for granted is built on Capitalism, don't bite the hand that feeds you, otherwise it will get taken away
 
I hear what you're saying Jembo, but I still believe that people need to pay their way......tax avoidance in any form should be stamped on, the black economy should be scrutinised closely and corporations should pay their bloody taxes, not use offshore accounts, foreign registered companies, so-called 'bad debt write-offs etc.. to avoid them.

I also firmly believe that people need an incentive to work - at the lower levels some can't afford to drop benefits for employment, while at higher earning levels too much tax is an issue.

Lastly, I also firmly believe that the public sector needs to share the pain we've felt in the private sector over the last few years. Why should we pay significant taxes and watch the country's finances going down the toilet when 20% of my council tax goes straight into some idle bastards final salary pension plan, or a bunch of even lazier civil servants (and I talk as someone with extensive experience of dealing with the latter) complains about pay freezes and pension reviews ? Sorry people, but you've had a great ride for most of the last 50 years, time to come down to our level for a change.

I used to be a 50% tax payer although I didn't begrudge it because I still had plenty left, but these days I've given up the rat race and my wife and I live in mid-west Wales in a little cottage by the river and as I type, I'm sat looking out at green forest (and bloody drizzle) with seven assorted wet dogs asleep around me on the floor, living on about a tenth of what I used to. Its bloody heaven. :thumbsup:
 
lacroupade said:
I hear what you're saying Jembo, but I still believe that people need to pay their way......tax avoidance in any form should be stamped on, the black economy should be scrutinised closely and corporations should pay their bloody taxes, not use offshore accounts, foreign registered companies, so-called 'bad debt write-offs etc.. to avoid them.

I also firmly believe that people need an incentive to work - at the lower levels some can't afford to drop benefits for employment, while at higher earning levels too much tax is an issue.

Lastly, I also firmly believe that the public sector needs to share the pain we've felt in the private sector over the last few years. Why should we pay significant taxes and watch the country's finances going down the toilet when 20% of my council tax goes straight into some idle bastards final salary pension plan, or a bunch of even lazier civil servants (and I talk as someone with extensive experience of dealing with the latter) complains about pay freezes and pension reviews ? Sorry people, but you've had a great ride for most of the last 50 years, time to come down to our level for a change.

I used to be a 50% tax payer although I didn't begrudge it because I still had plenty left, but these days I've given up the rat race and my wife and I live in mid-west Wales in a little cottage by the river and as I type, I'm sat looking out at green forest (and bloody drizzle) with seven assorted wet dogs asleep around me on the floor, living on about a tenth of what I used to. Its bloody heaven. :thumbsup:
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Well said
 
lacroupe , "I've given up the rat race and my wife and I live in mid-west Wales in a little cottage by the river"' :thumbsup: sounds great, we,re looking for a but an ben :D
jembo , we epsilons can put a little by ,not a problem im hoarding money :D , however its insignificant compared to guys like goodwin , im more thinking of multi nationals , an those earning say over a million a year , they must pay their taxes and at a higher rate , the cash must be kept moving ,anyone in business will agree .

As for the public sector , ,it also annoys me im paying their pensions never mind their wages.

Every thing we take for granted is built on those that have the means of production taking the piss , :wink:
 
lacroupade said:
The prevention is simple.

Anyone with an IQ of <100 (and sadly thats a large part of the population) should require a breeding licence.
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oops, i never got a licence :oops:

i missed all this rioting, knew nothing about it till i came home
 
lacroupade said:
The prevention is simple.

Anyone with an IQ of <100 (and sadly thats a large part of the population) should require a breeding licence.
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:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Now there's a petition I'd sign although IQ is not a measure of how decent someone is. Most of the decent people I know have an IQ lower than 100.

Did I hear correctly that in a high street there was one shop left untouched - Waterstones?

Some of these low life make a good argument for postnatal abortion with a cut off date of about 30 years.
 
I bet if you took the average age of the people in those riots, most would workout as having been through school when things like caning as punishment for unruly behaviours was stopped in schools! They grow up now thinking they can get away with anything because there is simply no way for teachers to punish them!! :|
 
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