Drove a GT86 today
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I think Toyota have done a wonderful job with the GT86 ......pulling the wool over our eyes. Cosmetically Isn't it just a RWD Celica or maybe a scaled down Supra (in looks certainly). The interiors not much better, has it been made with the US market in mind where dull plasticky interiors are de rigeur?
I'll not be rushing down to my local Toyota dealership for a test drive. I am surprised that Subaru haven't been allowed to put a nice boxer turbo in one or give it the usual bashing with the ugly stick that they seem to manage with most models. If they had then I might have considered one :roll:
Sean
I'll not be rushing down to my local Toyota dealership for a test drive. I am surprised that Subaru haven't been allowed to put a nice boxer turbo in one or give it the usual bashing with the ugly stick that they seem to manage with most models. If they had then I might have considered one :roll:
Sean
I love the way the GT86 Zealots get on their high-horse if you dare criticise its lack of power. The fact that it is a criminal rip off at £27k for 197hp also seems to escape the attention. Let's face it, it doesn't have any cutting edge tech either to make you forget about its price-tag. It also looks typically Japanese. For some that's good, for others a turn-off. I'm sure I'll have a go in one some day but I won't be dashing down to the Toyota dealer put it that way.
Some interesting viewpoints. All completely understandable as on paper it's not much to should about.
I still would highly recommend having a play in one though. It's a very surprising experience and you feel like you're in one of those old Japanese street performance cars of old.
Aesthetically it is a bit marmite (I happen to like it and with some additional Venturi rear led mods; even more so), but in a world of high performance, exacto-build mass market; or low end, cheap-fests, Toyota have I think achieved something remarkable in commiting valuable Yen into a real piece of rwd fun. You have to applaud that right?
So recommend you all try it; you might like it
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I still would highly recommend having a play in one though. It's a very surprising experience and you feel like you're in one of those old Japanese street performance cars of old.
Aesthetically it is a bit marmite (I happen to like it and with some additional Venturi rear led mods; even more so), but in a world of high performance, exacto-build mass market; or low end, cheap-fests, Toyota have I think achieved something remarkable in commiting valuable Yen into a real piece of rwd fun. You have to applaud that right?
So recommend you all try it; you might like it
[youtube]j2Vlrtj8oI4[/youtube]
original guvnor said:
I don't have a problem with people criticising the car's power, but criticising something that you've never driven seems absurd to me.
As you said, it doesn't have much power, and there is no cutting edge tech. Yet, the car has received rave reviews and I think Jeremy Clarkson even named it his car of the year.
Now, I'm not saying get rid of the Z and get a GT86, but doesn't the fact its received rave reviews, even with its lack of power and tech make you curious as to what the fuss is all about?
Judging the car on paper is about as useful as boiling water in a chocolate kettle.
I don't think it's universally loved, I have read & watched videos where it's engine & gearbox & lack of torque have all been criticised, that's not to mention the ordinary 0 to 60 time (in today's climate) & relative lack of power, the interior isn't going to win many quality control competitions either.
Tbf I haven't had a go in one so all of the above could be a load of rubbish but if you consider what a M135i offers you for a few grand more it turns into a no brainer if you aren't too bothered about what cars look like.
Tbf I haven't had a go in one so all of the above could be a load of rubbish but if you consider what a M135i offers you for a few grand more it turns into a no brainer if you aren't too bothered about what cars look like.
As a track car/weekend hoon-mobile it makes more sense to me, or it would do if it was £19k and priced to compete with things like the new Clio RS.
At that price it just doesn't make sense. It will be interesting to see how the car fares in the depreciation stakes.
At that price it just doesn't make sense. It will be interesting to see how the car fares in the depreciation stakes.
original guvnor said:
For me this is so true it's just to much money at 28k although a quick look on auto trader used example are already approaching the 20k mark. When the original concept was unveiled I thought it looked great then then messed up it up although looks wise it's starting to grow on me. It was also supposed to be cheap 28k is not cheap in my opinion for what it is. They will make great used buys though in a couple of years.
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Badly I'd say
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I drove one last year, Toyota hit the fun factor spot on, but for me the price is a joke, is a £20k motor tops!
And to be honest, its not like you can really get away with drifting round roundabouts all the time (even though its that easy) in this country given the sate of our roads.
And to be honest, its not like you can really get away with drifting round roundabouts all the time (even though its that easy) in this country given the sate of our roads.
Talk about car snobbishness, if it had BMW roundels on it we would all be saying its fantastic :lol: Yes it looks Japanese thats because it is Japanese
If you haven't seen one in the metal then I think you need too as they look cracking IMHO, Toyota designed the clay model with an original 2000GT parked alongside and I think its paid off. I also like the fact its called GT86 in homage to the 1986 Corolla GT one of the best hatches of the time, they've even done the exhaust tips at 86mm. The only thing I'm not keen on is parts of the interior but thats only as I'm comparing it to the E89, I'd still have it over the old Z4 whose interior looks
Tim.
Followed one down the a19 today. Looked pretty , pulled away (from my 2.4 td at70mph) with apparently no effort and I was suprised at how low it looked as zipped by, passing the usual euroboxes on its left. I'm in two minds about it but the power etc is enough for the UK, its not the fastest nor most powerful car around and if coming from a 300bhp plus motor you may feel short changed esp if you prev felt top of the food chain. One thought though - top of the food chain is now over 1000bhp and in comparison the top of range z4s and even higher bmws - as nice as they are - are probably looked down at by many many other drivers. What I'm saying is if you take it for what it is I can't see any downsides to the gt86 apart from that switch panel......... 
Not snobbishness at all. I have an 11 year old Honda! The GT86 is just too expensive and too slow. Period.
If you want one then buy one, nobody is stopping you.
If you want one then buy one, nobody is stopping you.
I will wait until I can afford one as a track car where power is not everything. It's then when it's agility and speed through the corners that will really tell. Also having run a Radical SR3 for 4 years and had huge fun as an extremely fast car, it was only as fast as the car in front in the corners or braking zones where your not allowed to overtake on a track day.
Positive points as a track car IMHO
1. Running costs
2. Cheap narrow tyres
3. Limited SD
4. Roof
5. Wipers/heater/aircon
6. No need for trailer and tow car
7. Rac recovering
Positive points as a track car IMHO
1. Running costs
2. Cheap narrow tyres
3. Limited SD
4. Roof
5. Wipers/heater/aircon
6. No need for trailer and tow car
7. Rac recovering
I like the design and it looks great in a burnt orange / reddy colour. re how fast it goes it amazes me the comments here, unless you track it everything else is about ego and small dicks.
I think OG summed it up well.
Its not about the lack of power... Its more about the price you pay for under 200bhp.
If it were a hatchback (which to be fair all hot hatches have more power then this) fair enough power is not important... But this is meant to be a sports car!
I drove it a few months back... And imo i thought it had much more power and pickup then on paper... And was a great drive... I had a celica previously and loved it (much more then my Z) and i'd love a GT86.... Shame they priced it so high... Which if you get one will make you feel short changed.
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Its not about the lack of power... Its more about the price you pay for under 200bhp.
If it were a hatchback (which to be fair all hot hatches have more power then this) fair enough power is not important... But this is meant to be a sports car!
I drove it a few months back... And imo i thought it had much more power and pickup then on paper... And was a great drive... I had a celica previously and loved it (much more then my Z) and i'd love a GT86.... Shame they priced it so high... Which if you get one will make you feel short changed.
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Must admit I like them and appreciate the concept, IMO the brz is the nicer of the two and I was trying to justify buying one but couldn't get over the stumbling blocks.
The points have been covered but it's really expensive for what it is and depreciation is likely to be heavy, the other sticking point is its a low slung 2 seater sports car, designed to be a 'real' sports car. Can you imagine what a chump you would feel when some chav in a corsa vxr demolishes you at the lights.
Put me off entirely, might reconsider in 18 months time when they are sub 10k.
The points have been covered but it's really expensive for what it is and depreciation is likely to be heavy, the other sticking point is its a low slung 2 seater sports car, designed to be a 'real' sports car. Can you imagine what a chump you would feel when some chav in a corsa vxr demolishes you at the lights.
Put me off entirely, might reconsider in 18 months time when they are sub 10k.