Driverless cars
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Longtallhowie
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Hope so, can't wait to seat back read the paper or have a kip 
There's no fun in driving anymore 
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There's no fun in driving anymore :xTaz said:
The most interesting thing here is that in theory, they have to be programmed to kill.
Lets just say for example your driverless car is careering down seaside lane at 60mph, three walkers appear out of a bush or something, now the car has a choice, kill the two people in the car, or kill the three walkers.
The car can either veer off the road, probably down a great big cliff, killing both occupants, or lose more life than necessary and hit the walkers, killing three people as opposed to two.
How do you choose who they kill? Logic would say that it should always choose the least loss of human life, but then what if people start hacking them so they always save the occupant in an act of self preservation...! Similarly, would you really want to get into a car that could choose to bump you off?
Or what about if the Queen is in the car, is she worth infinite normal people? So it'll just mow everyone down?
Great ethical dilema, but sod answering those questions to an insurer. "Your car killed my child as opposed to the two 90 year olds driving it"
I remember being in Canada years ago and was told that they never swerve to avoid something that crosses your path like a dog or a deer.RJS-Z4 said:
You can cause more damage by swerving and hitting another car so it is always advisable to just hit whatever is in front of you if you cannot stop in time.
It just seems like a natural reaction to try and avoid something and a computer controlling a car I would think would not do this, it would stay in its lane and just slow down..... unless it could hyperspace.
I know the insurance companies are now discussing it. The car manufacturer would probably have to insure their own vehicles as the human element has been completely removed. Manufacturer would be held accountable for any accident. For this reason I think we're always going to have some input in driving.
It will happen and it's not that far off. Many of the systems you need for an autonomous vehicle are already being fitted to new cars.
http://www.techradar.com/news/car-tech/we-drove-a-self-driving-bosch-car-it-was-boring-as-hell-but-then-that-s-the-point-1299204
http://www.techradar.com/news/car-tech/we-drove-a-self-driving-bosch-car-it-was-boring-as-hell-but-then-that-s-the-point-1299204
RJS-Z4 said:
what have you been smoking?
first of all who's fault is it if someone randomly jumps out in front of a car? it's not the people in the car. so yes the car should just brake not swerve off a cliff. it's the people walking's responsibility to know how to cross a road.
also cars won't be 100% driverless for a long time yet. they will need to be phased in stages. plus you will always have people who opt for a manual rather than automatic as you do now.
driverless cars will be considerably more expensive than their driver counterparts. so the majority will never be able to afford them or not think they are worth it. like paying £10K extra for a driverless version where instead you could spend that £10k on taxis for when you need to be somewhere and not in a position to drive.
WLH said:
I agree and I would be surprised if it takes 20 years. But we might well be seeing the last of the 'real' drivers who will be able to recall stories of driving in town centres.
RJS-Z4 said:
That kind of thought process requires a degree of sentience and we are a long way off that for AI's. A logic tree would make it simpler, for a start why would it be careering down a seaside lane, it would be programmed to drive at a safe speed so that if three ramblers jumped out, it would be travelling slow enough to give options. First of which would be decelerate, is there sufficient room AND no obstruction in opposing path of new obstacles (ramblers) Yes - veer away, Yes but decreasing gap - Veer away and accelerate, No - Continue to break.
I would also imagine that the AI would monitor movement ahead and around the car as it moves forward (using ultrasonic and infrared), with the monitoring distance ahead increasing with speed, such that it would have detected the ramblers before they stumbled out onto the road and had been calculating for every scenario.
A good example of logic AI vs Sentience is the film I Robot and the choice made in saving the life of the hero at the expense of a child based on the probability of success and it's the sentient that only suffer from guilt.
and to answer Taz, yes can't wait, will take some getting used to just like cruise control, but eventually familiarity will breed contempt
Longtallhowie
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Nictrix said:Would you not be better with a bus, taxi or train? :lol:Longtallhowie said:Hope so, can't wait to seat back read the paper or have a kip
I think it will be a lot safer in these driverless cars rather than sitting in a taxi! They are either in a world of their own or they are on the phone! Shocking! Last resort....
