Drifter Sentenced To Death

[Stuart Truman]

So were mine. The whole point is that we've put people away for life who were subsequently found to be not only innocent but not even present at the scene of a crime that in other countries would have seen them executed.

I'm well aware that I would not be thinking rationally if my family was hurt or killed. My daughter got followed home and I went looking for the person involved. That's the point of the police and judiciary, they're meant to maintain a balance.

As I've said before, we're all entitled to our view, we just have to agree to disagree. If the death penalty ever comes back to the uk I will emigrate to somewhere it isn't. Fortunately for me that would be relatively simple

 

[Jamming Jim]

I spend 6 weeks a year in Saudi and everyone drives like lunatics but pedestrians are even worse. I tried to cross a road like that to get to a meeting and my local colleagues were quite happy to sit between the lanes and play frogger as they truly believe its gods will if they get hit and I understand it would be the drivers fault and will have to pay his family bloody money.

I stood there for 15 minutes until I found the opportunity to run across 8 lanes of traffic.. I was late for the meeting

 

[bigdog]

As they have freely chosen to live under a Muslim Dictatorial Theocracy.

Do you really understand the political situation in Iran?

How exactly do you think that the people of Iran "freely" made this decision?!

But, They freely made it. It's up to them to change it if they don't like it.

Again, what mechanisms do you think are available to the people of Iran to effect this change?

Granted. The Middle East has been a mess since the British Empire and the league of nations started mucking about the region starting in the early 1900's. And then we (the US) got involved after WWII. But, When the students started the 1979 revolution that ousted the pro western CIA installed Shah. Who as bad as he was. Did in fact establish universities, Gave Women rights, I.E. letting them go to school, Be seen in public, Hold employment. The Iranian public voted by national referendum to become an Islamic Republic on April 1, 1979, and to approve a new democratic-theocratic hybrid constitution whereby Khomeini became Supreme Leader of the country. and of course he promptly x'ed out the democratic part of that agreement. And that's what they have to this day. The folks voted for a radical Islamist to run the country.

As far as what the folks can do about it now. We can look at history. We in the colonies told king George III to sod off. And took on and won against the most powerful military on earth at that time. The student revolutionaries took on the Shah and won. So! It's possible for the Iranian people to do the same against the current leadership. But it will take a lot of sacrifice and fighting their Muslim brothers. Something they have been unwilling to do.

 

[lacroupade]

I would have thought that Saudi nationals are perfectly aware of the potential penalties for this kind of thing... I daresay that it all adds to the 'excitement' of drifting... so, i would have to say that if you do the crime, you pay the penalty. Simple as. Yes, the penalty is harsh, but that is the law in Saudi...

However I suspect that, had he been a member of one of the royal families, the outcome would have been very different.

 

[lacroupade]

So were mine. The whole point is that we've put people away for life who were subsequently found to be not only innocent but not even present at the scene of a crime that in other countries would have seen them executed.

I'm well aware that I would not be thinking rationally if my family was hurt or killed. My daughter got followed home and I went looking for the person involved. That's the point of the police and judiciary, they're meant to maintain a balance.

As I've said before, we're all entitled to our view, we just have to agree to disagree. If the death penalty ever comes back to the uk I will emigrate to somewhere it isn't. Fortunately for me that would be relatively simple

Totally agree.

The biggest problem with that part of the world (in common with many others - its what makes them second or third-world countries) is that they have absolutely no respect for human life. Women stoned to death for adultery while the menfolk get away with it is just one example of theit twisted sense of whats right.

Had they not had oil and been spending billions of dollars on arms and western luxuries, labour and goods, we wouldn't give them the time of day.

I'd be the first to say our judiciary often leans too far the other way, but there are a host of punishments in the median area between nothing and death that would be just as much of a deterrent - and I for one thank god I live in a moderate country like the UK. The way that Saudis drive in many of these videos is the clearest evidence you could want for the fact that they are not bothered in the slightest by the potential consequences of their actions....

 

[bigdog]

I would have thought that Saudi nationals are perfectly aware of the potential penalties for this kind of thing... I daresay that it all adds to the 'excitement' of drifting... so, i would have to say that if you do the crime, you pay the penalty. Simple as. Yes, the penalty is harsh, but that is the law in Saudi...

However I suspect that, had he been a member of one of the royal families, the outcome would have been very different.

I dare say you might be right.