Donington and winter Z4 track day advice

[brillomaster]

i used to bring 20 litres of additional fuel as it was cheaper to buy outside the circuit, but now i don't bother, and just refill at the circuit... the convenience saves faffing around with jerry cans.

similarly i have never removed my number plate from any car before going on track... but all my cars are at least 15 years old and are owned outright, so no finance or warranties to worry about.

No one's mentioned insurance yet... personally, i've never insured any of my cars on track, but if you want to be covered for accidental damage i think a rough rule of thumb is insurance will cost 1% of the cars value for a day's cover.

 

[Ed Doe]

Yeah why bother removing your plate?

If you're using shell v power it's worth factoring in getting a full tank sorted out before you get there - as said above fuel on site is VERY expensive, and there isn't a shell very close to Donny.

If you want some sort of insurance, worth giving MORIS a call - from memory it worked out about £85 a day for insurance (does NOT cover mechanical failure, only a crash, and the excess is very high (Circa £1k from memory), but obviously it does work out cheaper than replacing the car!). You can also get a Multi-day policy, even if you don't know the venues or dates immediately - 3-5 days' insurance works out cheaper per day obviously.

 

[mmm-five]

if its your road car, remove your number plates before going on circuit, trust me, its a good idea.....

Why? I thought only people on car finance / HP or similar did this?

Also where some warranty/breakdown companies who may claim you've been 'racing' and try to void your breakdown/warranty policy.

 

[Phoenixboy]

The reason for removing your number plate is insurance.
You obviously understand that your standard insurance will not cover you for use on track.
Insurance assessors regularly turn up at track days, and will make a note of number plates, then when people put there car into the fence and submit a claim saying its happened on the road, they have evidence you were at a track day.
May seem a bit extreme, but be assured, it happens regularly.
Your choice, but it takes a few minutes to pop them off.

 

[Phoenixboy]

There's an unmanned / card only fuel station on site...but it'll be about 25% more expensive than a normal garage and 10% more expensive than going to the local Donington services for fuel.

Currently (for normal unleaded):

• Moto Donington: £1.71
• National average of £1.49
• Donington £1.90-£2.00 (estimate)

from memory there is a petrol station at the end of donington village on the right.

 

[mmm-five]

from memory there is a petrol station at the end of donington village on the right.

Yes.

• BP Castle Donington (out of the circuit, then left)
• Total Swarkstone (out of the circuit then right, right, right)

Both offer super unleaded.

 

[Ed Doe]

if its your road car, remove your number plates before going on circuit, trust me, its a good idea.....

Why? I thought only people on car finance / HP or similar did this?

Also where some warranty/breakdown companies who may claim you've been 'racing' and try to void your breakdown/warranty policy.

I had an engine issue at Goodwood in 2019 which resulted in having to be recovered by the AA. I've specifically always maintained membership with AA as they are the only breakdown service who recover from "non-competitive trackdays for fully road-legal cars". Even then when the AA Patrol man rocked up, he literally ignored me, walked straight past me, placed his hand on the tyre, said "you've been on track mate, we don't cover motorsport". He ignored my quoting the T&Cs at him, called control, said "yeah just checking we don't cover motorsport...yeah thought not" and then drove off.

I got recovered by Midhurst Engineering for £280, and then phoned the AA on the following Monday, and in fairness they held their hands up, apologised and reimbursed me in full.

So yeah it's not the cheapest recovery service, but if you want the convenience of spending lots monthly, hundreds up front and then the faff of claiming back after the event, AA is your port of call! :lol:

The reason for removing your number plate is insurance.
You obviously understand that your standard insurance will not cover you for use on track.
Insurance assessors regularly turn up at track days, and will make a note of number plates, then when people put there car into the fence and submit a claim saying its happened on the road, they have evidence you were at a track day.
May seem a bit extreme, but be assured, it happens regularly.
Your choice, but it takes a few minutes to pop them off.

I guess that's the big thing really - if you're going to go on track and don't want to take out a track-specific insurance policy, then if you have a whoopsie you have to put your big boy pants on and own your mistake. I very much doubt an insurance assessor would stop at 'not seeing your plate' on track if they suspected you'd been at a trackday event and were trying to submit a hookie claim fro a RTC. In this day and age it's the matter of a few minutes to obtain an electronic register of cars on track from any TDO, and cross-reference that against your car. In fact I'd bet the police would do that on attending the scene before it even made it to the insurers.
Wailing that, it also wouldn't take a genius insurance assessor to look at the damage to your car and the state of your brakes and tyres and correlate that to the staged 'scene of the crime'.

Bottom line, imo if you're foolish enough to try that game you deserve every bit that's coming at you. So just be an adult, leave your plates alone and go have some fun!

 

[mmm-five]

Wailing that, it also wouldn't take a genius insurance assessor to look at the damage to your car and the state of your brakes and tyres and correlate that to the staged 'scene of the crime'.

But they'd still have to prove (or you'd have to prove otherwise more likely) that the accident damage was from an on-track accident, and not just that you'd been on the track 30 minutes before you slide off the road on a pile of wet leaves (as I nearly did coming back to the hotel from a Castle Combe trackday once).

 

[AndyBeech]

The reason for removing your number plate is insurance.
You obviously understand that your standard insurance will not cover you for use on track.
Insurance assessors regularly turn up at track days, and will make a note of number plates, then when people put there car into the fence and submit a claim saying its happened on the road, they have evidence you were at a track day.
May seem a bit extreme, but be assured, it happens regularly.
Your choice, but it takes a few minutes to pop them off.

Hmmmm not sure about that, but if you say so. How would they know if you did it on track or on the way home / left early etc? The onus would be on the insurance company to prove that it happened on track, don't see how a guy taking number plates down proves anything.
Surely it only matters taking your plate off if your planning on committing insurance fraud in the first place in any case, sure the OP wasn't!

Anyway, I insure track days through Moris so not something I have to worry about personally

 

[JSz4]

Have a blast mate, it really is a cracking circuit to drive - once they've released the spring dates (and I've got the various bits of essential maintenance sorted on mine over winter) I'll be booking in a day there too

Yeah I'd aim for 30-32psi to start, do a few laps, come in check them, adjust and repeat. I would suggest you'd want to aim for 32psi hot both front and rear.

One word of warning if you've not clocked it already - be VERY careful of taking too much kerb - I can't recall which corners (keep an eye out on your sighting laps), but they've fitted metal 'speedbumps' (see pic below) inside of the kerbstones certainly on the right hander of the Esses, and I think at Coppice too. Basically be effing careful of taking too much kerb, if you hit one of those at 50-60mph you'll likely knacker a tyre, they look awful!

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Thanks that's really helpful, I'll aim for those tyre pressures. Hadn't seen those new curbs on guides but, having spent a lot recently on suspension bushes, camber arms and alignment I'll stay well clear!

I hadn't really considered insurance before, as it's a 3.0i on 125k the value isn't that high but still wouldn't want to write it off so might think about insurance in future given value of other cars on track too.

I only renewed with Green Flag 3 weeks ago but after reading your experience, and after a panic last year at Bedford over an oil leak, I cancelled and switched to AA. Currently 40% discount so only £35 difference and lady I spoke with confirmed what you said about track day recovery. I'm in Dorset so always a reasonable drive to tracks so good to have that reassurance especially given age of car, thanks!

Cheers mmm-five, will definitely fill up beforehand with a tank of V power.

 

[Ed Doe]

Good man, go enjoy it and let us all know how it all goes!

On the insurance front, the insurance policy only covers your car, even in the event of someone crashing into it. It does not cover other cars in the event you crash into them - but that's just a universally accepted risk of going on track. The excess is steep (I think it's a grand plus from memory but I'm sure it changes depending on the cost bracket of car you're insuring).

Not trying to put you off but hopefully it helps you make a decision on what's right for you

 

[JSz4]

Good man, go enjoy it and let us all know how it all goes!

On the insurance front, the insurance policy only covers your car, even in the event of someone crashing into it. It does not cover other cars in the event you crash into them - but that's just a universally accepted risk of going on track. The excess is steep (I think it's a grand plus from memory but I'm sure it changes depending on the cost bracket of car you're insuring).

Not trying to put you off but hopefully it helps you make a decision on what's right for you

Ah ok, thanks, that makes sense regarding damage to other vehicles. Given the value of mine I don't think it's something I'd go for but would certainly consider it if it was worth more.

Just looking at petrol stations nearby (staying in Tamworth), I've previously used Tesco Momentum for track days as easy to find near circuits but is it worth paying bit more and going further for Shell V Power, or not going to make any meaningful difference?

 

[Ed Doe]

I'd go Tesco momentum or shell, they're the only two that do 99. If your car hasn't had the knock adaptations reset it'll not likely make much if difference though.

 

[JSz4]

I'd go Tesco momentum or shell, they're the only two that do 99. If your car hasn't had the knock adaptations reset it'll not likely make much if difference though.

Thanks for the advice, went with Tesco momentum as on route.

I really enjoyed Donington, thought it was a fantastic circuit and luckily the weather was good but track was still damp in the morning so frequent interruptions for people to be extracted from the gravel! However I'd a helpful session of tuition and got some good laps in by the end of the day, I kept the tyre pressures 30/32 which worked well on the cold track.

Due to the damp and cold track I left the TC/DSC on, unlike previous track days I've done in the summer. However I was surprised that there was equal brake dust on the rear wheels as front (although first track day with switching to new bluestuff rear pads but still running little older yellowstuff front pads). Is the increased rear dust likely just due to bluestuff producing more dust or was the rear being braked by the DSC? The light didn't flash on the dashboard at any point.

 

[mmm-five]

Due to the damp and cold track I left the TC/DSC on, unlike previous track days I've done in the summer. However I was surprised that there was equal brake dust on the rear wheels as front (although first track day with switching to new bluestuff rear pads but still running little older yellowstuff front pads). Is the increased rear dust likely just due to bluestuff producing more dust or was the rear being braked by the DSC? The light didn't flash on the dashboard at any point.

Yes, the DTC/DSC will still be intervening a little before the lights start flashing...and you will get rear pad wear from it - maybe more than if it's left on in dry conditions.

But if it's damp you'll also get lots of grime/grit thrown out through the wheels too.

 

[Ed Doe]

Glad you enjoyed it, I think it's a cracking track, flows really nicely!

Yeah you'll definitely find the rears will see some heavy use on track with the tc left on. It's another reason why it's worth running the tc off on track, but I understand why you'd want the safety net on a damp/wet track - I was exactly the same at my last wet day out at donny!

You planning any more then? 8)

 

[JSz4]

Glad you enjoyed it, I think it's a cracking track, flows really nicely!

Yeah you'll definitely find the rears will see some heavy use on track with the tc left on. It's another reason why it's worth running the tc off on track, but I understand why you'd want the safety net on a damp/wet track - I was exactly the same at my last wet day out at donny!

You planning any more then? 8)

Apologies, only just seen this.
Thanks, I'll definitely leave the TC/SC off in future as it looks like it ate a reasonable amount of the pad and getting little more confident on track now. I've since bought matching Goodyear supersports for the front, replaced the slightly warped front discs and gone for Bluestuff pads to match the rears (do limited miles but is my daily drive so not going for anything more racey), replaced worn inner/outer track rods and had alignment so ready for return trip in Spring How about you?

 

[Beedub]

cant wait to get to donny this year!

 

[Ed Doe]

Glad you enjoyed it, I think it's a cracking track, flows really nicely!

Yeah you'll definitely find the rears will see some heavy use on track with the tc left on. It's another reason why it's worth running the tc off on track, but I understand why you'd want the safety net on a damp/wet track - I was exactly the same at my last wet day out at donny!

You planning any more then? 8)

Apologies, only just seen this.
Thanks, I'll definitely leave the TC/SC off in future as it looks like it ate a reasonable amount of the pad and getting little more confident on track now. I've since bought matching Goodyear supersports for the front, replaced the slightly warped front discs and gone for Bluestuff pads to match the rears (do limited miles but is my daily drive so not going for anything more racey), replaced worn inner/outer track rods and had alignment so ready for return trip in Spring How about you?

No worries!

Reading up, blue stuff pads sound like a decent choice for giving a bit of improved on-track performance without sacrificing on-road useability.

Another one that's an expensive but extremely good choice is Pagid RSL29s - as I say they aren't cheap but a very impressive pad on track and again perfectly useable on the road too.!

My list... hah! ok so;

I'm in the process of refitting my now weld-repaired exhaust manifold
Need to finalise the fitment and adjustment of my new adjustable droplinks.
Then need to whack the newly refurbed wheels back on

Then more importantly I need to buy and fit an oil pressure gauge & sensor, and flush the brake fluid.

Then I should be ready!!

cant wait to get to donny this year!

Well both of you guys - you fancy getting something in the diary for April-time? I'm sure Tom_K would be keen to *ahem* show us all how comparatively slow we are :lol:

Myself & Lee off here and a few other mates are already planning an evening session in April at Donny to shake down our cars ahead of a ring trip in May. Definitely keen to get a few of us out there

 

[Beedub]

Glad you enjoyed it, I think it's a cracking track, flows really nicely!

Yeah you'll definitely find the rears will see some heavy use on track with the tc left on. It's another reason why it's worth running the tc off on track, but I understand why you'd want the safety net on a damp/wet track - I was exactly the same at my last wet day out at donny!

You planning any more then? 8)

Apologies, only just seen this.
Thanks, I'll definitely leave the TC/SC off in future as it looks like it ate a reasonable amount of the pad and getting little more confident on track now. I've since bought matching Goodyear supersports for the front, replaced the slightly warped front discs and gone for Bluestuff pads to match the rears (do limited miles but is my daily drive so not going for anything more racey), replaced worn inner/outer track rods and had alignment so ready for return trip in Spring How about you?

No worries!

Reading up, blue stuff pads sound like a decent choice for giving a bit of improved on-track performance without sacrificing on-road useability.

Another one that's an expensive but extremely good choice is Pagid RSL29s - as I say they aren't cheap but a very impressive pad on track and again perfectly useable on the road too.!

My list... hah! ok so;

I'm in the process of refitting my now weld-repaired exhaust manifold
Need to finalise the fitment and adjustment of my new adjustable droplinks.
Then need to whack the newly refurbed wheels back on

Then more importantly I need to buy and fit an oil pressure gauge & sensor, and flush the brake fluid.

Then I should be ready!!

cant wait to get to donny this year!

Well both of you guys - you fancy getting something in the diary for April-time? I'm sure Tom_K would be keen to *ahem* show us all how comparatively slow we are :lol:

Myself & Lee off here and a few other mates are already planning an evening session in April at Donny to shake down our cars ahead of a ring trip in May. Definitely keen to get a few of us out there

im up for it .......