Dilemma.. Z4M or a Z4 3.5is ???

[Anonymous]

panties ???

Should we be worried?

 

[MrPT]

The thing that worries me about the 35is is that if I drive one I might end up liking it.

 

[buzyg]

Haha me?

V8 is not a purists recognised engine the bmw brand is sonoymous with the inline 6 of which S54 in z4ms are the last hence will continue to rise and hold

They are 2 completely different cars once focused upon being a track based road car and other a great gt car

Specs 0-60 4.8 Is
4.9M both of which are quicker in real life

I love these debates haha

Ps e89 was designed by 2 females
Just saying haha

Both the E92 and E85 were mass produced 10,000 ish off the top of my head. The Z4M is not a 911 Turbo Gt3 Limited edition with only 250 produced. It is a mass produced car... 10,000 + produced. This idea that they will rise is certainly interesting. It may well become a classic one day. But probably 20 years plus...... Reminds me of some users over on PH thinking their TVRs were worth circa £80k and slating the new model despite it not being out yet stating it had gone away from its roots lol!

And btw the 4.8 to 60 is for the 35i. The 35is is rated at 4.5.
Real world tests, Car and Driver 2011 35IS 0-60 in 4.3s.

The Z4M will still be at the lights trying to shift in to gear 1 lol....

Not sure what you are basing the above on. World wide Production figures below.

Z4MC ________ Total production _4275, 2005-2008
911 Turbo 997.1 Total Production 19201, 2005-2010
GT3 997.1_____ Total Production _2378, 2006- 2007

So year on year similar number to the GT3 and less than the Turbo. But as the GT3 was only produced for 2 years then yes there are less of them.

Sources bellow. Enjoy all you stats fans out there. :wink:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_Z4_(E85)
https://www.total911.com/datafile/911-turbo-2/
https://www.total911.com/datafile/911-gt3-3/

No GT3 roadster so can't really compare that one. There where around 5000 Z4MRs produced in total so that to is quite rare in the scheme of things. Far rared world wide than a 458 Italia.

 

[GuidoK]

^z4mc != z4m
From what I've found there are at least 5300 z4m roadsters too. So that would make it pretty near 10k in all roadsters and coupes.

not a 911 Turbo Gt3 Limited edition

And what is this 911 turbo gt3? Must be really rare?

 

[srhutch]

The thing that worries me about the 35is is that if I drive one I might end up liking it.

What worries me about them is there is much more to go wrong. Too many electrical systems in cars these days. An E85/6 is much better for the home mechanic/tinkerer.

 

[breezer]

The Z4M is not a 911 Turbo Gt3 Limited edition with only 250 produced. It is a mass produced car... 10,000 + produced.

Eh? You're comparing production numbers of a niche top end model 911 to the production number of ALL Z4s? That's nuts. If we reverse your position (using the same logic) and compare the niche top end Z4 to ALL 911s then there are only c.1,200 Z4MCs in RHD iirc, and over 1,000,000 911s have been made...so 911s are therefore worthless mass produced cars.

 

[sunnydays]

The Z4M is not a 911 Turbo Gt3 Limited edition with only 250 produced. It is a mass produced car... 10,000 + produced.

Eh? You're comparing production numbers of a niche top end model 911 to the production number of ALL Z4s? That's nuts. If we reverse your position (using the same logic) and compare the niche top end Z4 to ALL 911s then there are only c.1,200 Z4MCs in RHD iirc, and over 1,000,000 911s have been made...so 911s are therefore worthless mass produced cars.

Because all Z4s are Z4Ms..............
My figure of 10k was specifically for the Z4M Includes the roadster and coupe variant.

 

[GuidoK]

What worries me about them is there is much more to go wrong. Too many electrical systems in cars these days. An E85/6 is much better for the home mechanic/tinkerer.

I dont think it makes that much difference.
INPA/ISTA are needed for both cars if you want to do detailed diagnosing.
And both cars have their specific quirks. Both have potential expensive problems and potential cheap problems.
Mile for mile the n54 is probably more reliable than the s54, even taking hpfp problems, injector problems, wastegate problems and intake valve clogging into account.

 

[Z4M-2006]

Congrats Gramps....


Glad you have decided and made the right choice..

 

[buzyg]

The Z4M is not a 911 Turbo Gt3 Limited edition with only 250 produced. It is a mass produced car... 10,000 + produced.

Eh? You're comparing production numbers of a niche top end model 911 to the production number of ALL Z4s? That's nuts. If we reverse your position (using the same logic) and compare the niche top end Z4 to ALL 911s then there are only c.1,200 Z4MCs in RHD iirc, and over 1,000,000 911s have been made...so 911s are therefore worthless mass produced cars.

Because all Z4s are Z4Ms..............
My figure of 10k was specifically for the Z4M Includes the roadster and coupe variant.

The roadster and Coupe are different Variants of the Z4, ye daft muppet. If you would care to add the 911 Turbo 997.1 & 911 GT3 997.1, production figures together they are far greater than the total number of Z4Ms produced word wide. But I wouldn't bother, because that too is a pretty pointless stat, as it does not compare like with like either. :roll:

Z4MC ________ Total production __4275, ___2005-2008
Z4MR_________ Total Production__5300, ___2005-2008
911 Turbo 997.1 Total Production _19201, ___2005-2010
GT3 997.1_____ Total Production __2378, ___2006-2007

 

[Nictrix]

Eh? You're comparing production numbers of a niche top end model 911 to the production number of ALL Z4s? That's nuts. If we reverse your position (using the same logic) and compare the niche top end Z4 to ALL 911s then there are only c.1,200 Z4MCs in RHD iirc, and over 1,000,000 911s have been made...so 911s are therefore worthless mass produced cars.

Because all Z4s are Z4Ms..............
My figure of 10k was specifically for the Z4M Includes the roadster and coupe variant.

The roadster and Coupe are different Variants of the Z4, ye daft muppet. If you would care to add the 911 Turbo 997.1 & 911 GT3 997.1, production figures together they are far greater than the total number of Z4Ms produced word wide. But I wouldn't bother, because that too is a pretty pointless stat, as it does not compare like with like either. :roll:

Z4MC ________ Total production __4275, ___2005-2008
Z4MR_________ Total Production__5300, ___2005-2008
911 Turbo 997.1 Total Production _19201, ___2005-2010
GT3 997.1_____ Total Production __2378, ___2006-2007

Not meaning to jump in to start an argument but the number of sales of a car don't really mean that much.
On one hand people are saying that the Z4M cars are rare because there was not many sold meaning they are special but on the other there was not a lot of 35IS cars sold and people say the reason is they are crap.
Just because there were not many sold doesnt mean they were a limited edition run. If you wanted one you could have one.
The real reason that there is not a lot of either is because of the purchase price when new.
In my opinion.

 

[Nanu]

Would that be the same J Clarkson that said if it was the last car he could ever own (The 35is) he would die a very happy man indeed??

& the same fella that once claimed the Fiat Coupe was the best looking car of the year must have been before he had his cataracts removed

Hahhahah

Fair comment

 

[buzyg]

& the same fella that once claimed the Fiat Coupe was the best looking car of the year must have been before he had his cataracts removed

Hahhahah

Fair comment

Wash your mouth out Chris Bangle Designed two fine looking cars and only two. The Fiat Coupe and the Z4 (E85/86)

Still have a model of a Spirit Blue 20VT on the hearth in the main lounge. Next to a framed Photo. 8)

 

[srhutch]

What worries me about them is there is much more to go wrong. Too many electrical systems in cars these days. An E85/6 is much better for the home mechanic/tinkerer.

I dont think it makes that much difference.
INPA/ISTA are needed for both cars if you want to do detailed diagnosing.
And both cars have their specific quirks. Both have potential expensive problems and potential cheap problems.
Mile for mile the n54 is probably more reliable than the s54, even taking hpfp problems, injector problems, wastegate problems and intake valve clogging into account.

I wasn't just talking about the engine. Handbrake, roof to name just two that are more complicated. But I understand the N54 is also a lot harder to work on from a diy point of view compared to the S54.

 

[buzyg]

What worries me about them is there is much more to go wrong. Too many electrical systems in cars these days. An E85/6 is much better for the home mechanic/tinkerer.

I dont think it makes that much difference.
INPA/ISTA are needed for both cars if you want to do detailed diagnosing.
And both cars have their specific quirks. Both have potential expensive problems and potential cheap problems.
Mile for mile the n54 is probably more reliable than the s54, even taking hpfp problems, injector problems, wastegate problems and intake valve clogging into account.

I wasn't just talking about the engine. Handbrake, roof to name just two that are more complicated. But I understand the N54 is also a lot harder to work on from a diy point of view compared to the S54.

Alas, it's only going to get worse. Cars will soon be no more than expensive white goods, that we are effectively forced to throw away, when the manufactures planned life expires. Hang on to a little bit of old tech as long as you can. :wink:

 

[9designs]

It's already an interesting thread, as M is another option I'm thinking about to replace mine. For me it would be a short distance daily commuter car and a sunny Sunday car. Needs to live out side, do these attract thieves?
I bought my Z for sunny days and to keep the miles off the RS, so another "fun collectible" car might be a bit crazy. (Wife has sensible A3 diesel so we have most bases covered).

 

[mmm-five]

It's already an interesting thread, as M is another option I'm thinking about to replace mine. For me it would be a short distance daily commuter car and a sunny Sunday car. Needs to live out side, do these attract thieves?
I bought my Z for sunny days and to keep the miles off the RS, so another "fun collectible" car might be a bit crazy. (Wife has sensible A3 diesel so we have most bases covered).

I suppose it will depend on the area, but. My Z4MC sits outside 100% of the time - and spends its time parked either on the road/drive in L25 (Hunts Cross) or in a pub car park in TW8 (Brentford).

Never been touched, not even a busted window or stolen aerial.

However, it is the 'less desirable' coupe version of the marque