Dilemma.. Z4M or a Z4 3.5is ???
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Pastry said:john-e89 said:D4dawg Ps e89 was designed by 2 females;) Just saying haha [/quote said:
But would they John? :wink:
And we'll your just you hahaha
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john-e89 said:
How we roll round here
Wait for Fred to turn up and tell you the aerodynamic benefits of a whippy aerial haha
Ive had both and it totally depends on what you want to use the car for..
Z4M is a great car ruined by substandard suspension,be prepared to have your teeth shaken out on all but anything but the smoothest roads.
Some dont get on with the gearbox and clutch feel,i find its ok but takes a bit of learning.
Speed... Similar but the 35is has bags more torque everywhere..If driving at 10/10th's everywhere then there is hardly nowt in it,as an everyday kind of driver the 35is has it.
Tech... 35is hands down..Z4M feels antiquated in comparison. Again it depends if these are important.
Handling.. Z4M wins here,not by much though.The crap suspension starts to make sense when really pressing on,hitting a grid or a pothole under hard cornering makes for an underpant splattering experience though. At the end of the day its just E46 suspension and has a lot of lateral movement in the rear arms.. 35is comes with adaptive suspension as standard and is excellent in most area's,just on the ragged edge the Z4M pips it... Also helped by the M car being a tadge lighter i think.
Running costs...35is wins.... Cheaper in everyway to run and maintain... tax and insurance also saved me around £300 annualy iirc..
Interior.... 35is wins it for me,better seat,dash arragement,audio and tech..
Depreciation.... Z4M will win here,if you buy in at the right money of course. Prices are holding steady and any M car is a decent drivable investment. If your thinking of spending early £20k's then i would expect the 35is to shed a grand a year for a few years yet..
Both are superb cars,you have a hard choice..
Z4M is a great car ruined by substandard suspension,be prepared to have your teeth shaken out on all but anything but the smoothest roads.
Some dont get on with the gearbox and clutch feel,i find its ok but takes a bit of learning.
Speed... Similar but the 35is has bags more torque everywhere..If driving at 10/10th's everywhere then there is hardly nowt in it,as an everyday kind of driver the 35is has it.
Tech... 35is hands down..Z4M feels antiquated in comparison. Again it depends if these are important.
Handling.. Z4M wins here,not by much though.The crap suspension starts to make sense when really pressing on,hitting a grid or a pothole under hard cornering makes for an underpant splattering experience though. At the end of the day its just E46 suspension and has a lot of lateral movement in the rear arms.. 35is comes with adaptive suspension as standard and is excellent in most area's,just on the ragged edge the Z4M pips it... Also helped by the M car being a tadge lighter i think.
Running costs...35is wins.... Cheaper in everyway to run and maintain... tax and insurance also saved me around £300 annualy iirc..
Interior.... 35is wins it for me,better seat,dash arragement,audio and tech..
Depreciation.... Z4M will win here,if you buy in at the right money of course. Prices are holding steady and any M car is a decent drivable investment. If your thinking of spending early £20k's then i would expect the 35is to shed a grand a year for a few years yet..
Both are superb cars,you have a hard choice..
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sunnydays said:Ps I'm only messing buddyD4dawg said:
So please don't take offence !
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Weekend car, no need for toys. I'd go get the ///M!
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stevespg said:
Dan has 3si and just bought z4mc and he said mines rides better than both
Think it's an age of suspension thing and miles under car
Thing as mines as flat as a pancake rough roads we all suffer from but as oem CSLs and h&r springs and arbs
My unsprung weight is lower so I guess it will on rough give a bumpy feeling as suspension reacts quicker
It is a difficult one. I have been toying with both for a long time.
If it was just for me I would have the M all day long, but SWIMBO is a massive consideration I dont really want it to be locked in the garage only used once and a while. Wouldn't want to be too precious over it and be happy with her driving it and taking it out so it doesnt become a barrier where its my car and its a risky thing her grabbing the keys and going to the supermarket etc
I want her to be involved come on meets and continue a tradition of a Euro roadtrip every couple of years.
I know for a fact she would hate the Ms suspension and gearbox, especially the gearbox and the thought of missing gears and rough changes makes me cringe. Even the best drivers struggle with the getrag to start with, although I loved it. The Ms are fun on a weekend hoon but not for traveling long distance imo. My M also had H&Rs and although fun to drive it was absolutely spine shattering, to the point and ex flat out refused to go out in it (that lasted long)
Just moved around 100 miles from my home town so we spend a lot of time driving back and forth seeing friends and family on the weekend. When I had my M I had a long distance relationship and the M wasnt the best steed for the task.
The 35IS makes a lot of sense and is so comfortable and with the torque it has makes quite a sleeper on the motorway and I found the M great but you do have to wind it up a bit when your cruising.
At the same time loosing money is a worry and the 2011-12 plates with decent mileage are sitting around 22-23 and for a non M car at 5-6 years old I think they are bucking the trend and are on the more expensive side. For example a similar 335I would be around 15k and would probably have a better spec as not many 35IS were made and not many were speced highly. The 35IS is less of a weekend car I think so the toys are more important.
We took a 35i for a test drive and swimbo fell in love with it. Problem with the one we test drove was it has 12k miles on it and the interior was such a mess the leather had warn really badly there were scrapes and scratches everywhere. It may have been down to the fact it was red and shows wear more than black for example if not looked after. The aluminium trim had marks all over the interior door handles and the center console. The car had come from Guernsey so I assume it was due to small trips getting in and out of the car a lot but was disappointed in the quality, it could have been sorted but there was no room to manover with the car as it had to be imported and re-registered, so i walked away and someone else bought it.
Similar with the M the interior, it wears poorly but my previous M with some looking after fared well in my ownership. The nappa is also so soft and lovely, loved the seats. The 35IS wasnt quite as nice as I think it has Dakota? Not sure if a nappa was offered apart from in the white pack? Probably wrong but not many have it if thats the case.
Lots of things to think about both are excellent but as I keep saying it depends on your use case and a compromise has to be met.
If it was just for me I would have the M all day long, but SWIMBO is a massive consideration I dont really want it to be locked in the garage only used once and a while. Wouldn't want to be too precious over it and be happy with her driving it and taking it out so it doesnt become a barrier where its my car and its a risky thing her grabbing the keys and going to the supermarket etc
I want her to be involved come on meets and continue a tradition of a Euro roadtrip every couple of years.
I know for a fact she would hate the Ms suspension and gearbox, especially the gearbox and the thought of missing gears and rough changes makes me cringe. Even the best drivers struggle with the getrag to start with, although I loved it. The Ms are fun on a weekend hoon but not for traveling long distance imo. My M also had H&Rs and although fun to drive it was absolutely spine shattering, to the point and ex flat out refused to go out in it (that lasted long
)Just moved around 100 miles from my home town so we spend a lot of time driving back and forth seeing friends and family on the weekend. When I had my M I had a long distance relationship and the M wasnt the best steed for the task.
The 35IS makes a lot of sense and is so comfortable and with the torque it has makes quite a sleeper on the motorway and I found the M great but you do have to wind it up a bit when your cruising.
At the same time loosing money is a worry and the 2011-12 plates with decent mileage are sitting around 22-23 and for a non M car at 5-6 years old I think they are bucking the trend and are on the more expensive side. For example a similar 335I would be around 15k and would probably have a better spec as not many 35IS were made and not many were speced highly. The 35IS is less of a weekend car I think so the toys are more important.
We took a 35i for a test drive and swimbo fell in love with it. Problem with the one we test drove was it has 12k miles on it and the interior was such a mess the leather had warn really badly there were scrapes and scratches everywhere. It may have been down to the fact it was red and shows wear more than black for example if not looked after. The aluminium trim had marks all over the interior door handles and the center console. The car had come from Guernsey so I assume it was due to small trips getting in and out of the car a lot but was disappointed in the quality, it could have been sorted but there was no room to manover with the car as it had to be imported and re-registered, so i walked away and someone else bought it.
Similar with the M the interior, it wears poorly but my previous M with some looking after fared well in my ownership. The nappa is also so soft and lovely, loved the seats. The 35IS wasnt quite as nice as I think it has Dakota? Not sure if a nappa was offered apart from in the white pack? Probably wrong but not many have it if thats the case.
Lots of things to think about both are excellent but as I keep saying it depends on your use case and a compromise has to be met.
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stevespg said:
Good to hear buddy
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Pastry said:D4dawg said:john-e89 said:
How we roll round here
Wait for Fred to turn up and tell you the aerodynamic benefits of a whippy aerial haha
He's probably too busy polishing his wood:lol:
Now there's a horrible mental image hahahah
He would have an open log fire place instead of a heater if could
Nanu said:Vanne said:"How can something that looks so good drive so rubbish?" J.Clarkson on e89.
Would that be the same J Clarkson that said if it was the last car he could ever own (The 35is) he would die a very happy man indeed??
& the same fella that once claimed the Fiat Coupe was the best looking car of the year
must have been before he had his cataracts removed 
