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Eastsix

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Am i reading this right?

http://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=z4m+coupe

so there are more z4m (both coupe and roadster) than there are 3.0 coupes currenty on the road in UK? I suppose it doesnt mean much if you cant get specific figuresfor M coupes.

I'm curious about recent and projected depreciation, cos it seems to me that the Z4MC seems to have reached similar prices as good quality lower mileage Z3MC with the later engine. the Z3MC has a bit of a cult status, But it would be hard to imagine the Z4MC dropping below the Z3MC wouldnt it?
Its hard to guess what will happen with 3.0 coupe, but if the M coupe doesnt really drop any more, that may have the effect of keeping 3.0 prices up perhaps? especially with numbers on the road as low as they appear.
 
I personally think the 3.0 coupe will do well in terms of decpriciation as its a clever buy when you consider the cheaper insurance, tax & service costs.. not to mention 30mpg av. Its a good alrounder, a compromise compared the the M version, which does make it desirable (where with most cars its only the top version that gets held in high regard)as running costs keep increasing. There are few enough about (just) to make it quite exclusive & what else looks as good for the price?

The Z4MC will be, in a few yrs, where the Z3MC is now in terms of classic status. Obv. will go down though, untill the numbers start dropping, before it comes up again.
 
Agreed.....


The 3.0si coupe will be a good long term owner.... If you get into one now,i think you will lose very little over a few years of ownership as long as you keep the car tidy and in good order.

The Z4M coupe......I think they are probably gonna stay similar money for while yet,as long as the above rules are kept in check.


The Z3MC with the s54 is only going one way and its up,i would be suprised to see many under £15k that were in good order...There was only ever 123 sold in the UK so they are seriously rare,and if you want to get into Z3MC ownership then the S54 engine one is the one to have..


My old S50..

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Z4M-2006 said:
Agreed.....


The 3.0si coupe will be a good long term owner.... If you get into one now,i think you will lose very little over a few years of ownership as long as you keep the car tidy and in good order.

The Z4M coupe......I think they are probably gonna stay similar money for while yet,as long as the above rules are kept in check.


The Z3MC with the s54 is only going one way and its up,i would be suprised to see many under £15k that were in good order...There was only ever 123 sold in the UK so they are seriously rare,and if you want to get into Z3MC ownership then the S54 engine one is the one to have..


My old S50..

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That is a beautiful beast. I adore the Z3MC, but i definitely wouldnt pay more for a good one than an equally good Z4MC, which would probably have lower mileage. Which makes me wonder whether this is pretty much the bottom. Im not sure if Z3MC is strictly a classic as yet - the last ones are only 10 years old. But I suppose it has a certain cult appeal which the Z4MC doesnt have at the moment.
My Z3 2.8 depreciated a shocking amount percentagewise in just the 2 years i owned it - paid what seemed a bargain £4.1k and sold for £2.5k. Not such a big deal at those prices, but I'd like to buy as smart as possible next time, and without wanting to start an argument, it does seem to me that the roadsters are more prone to depreciation than the coupes.
Which is fine I suppose, if you're buying a roadster after most of the depreciatiation has happened. So I guess - Buy a roadster, benefit from the previous depreciation, or buy a Coupe, and benefit from the limited subsequent depreciation!
 
I am inclined to disagree about the 3.0 coupé. Yes they are rare and yes they are an excellent compromise over the M. If you happen to ave on in good order then that will obviously keep its value better. However, many 3.0's are used as daily drivers and as such mileages are increasing 8-12k per year (on average). Many ///M's are weekend toys, so maybe see 2-4k per year mileage. In 3-5 years you will still be able to find lower mileage (<50k) ///M's, whereas most 3.0 will be significantly higher (80k+). Even if you have a lower mileage 3.0, the lower prices of the majority of cars will make it tough to charge significantly more than other available cars.

I think this is the main reason that prices won't firm up as quickly as the ///M.
 
StevenH72 said:
I am inclined to disagree about the 3.0 coupé. Yes they are rare and yes they are an excellent compromise over the M. If you happen to ave on in good order then that will obviously keep its value better. However, many 3.0's are used as daily drivers and as such mileages are increasing 8-12k per year (on average). Many ///M's are weekend toys, so maybe see 2-4k per year mileage. In 3-5 years you will still be able to find lower mileage (<50k) ///M's, whereas most 3.0 will be significantly higher (80k+). Even if you have a lower mileage 3.0, the lower prices of the majority of cars will make it tough to charge significantly more than other available cars.

I think this is the main reason that prices won't firm up as quickly as the ///M.
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Maybe having to wait a while to buy a 3.0 coupe will pay off then!
 
Fair comment Steve...

But what you have to remember mileage isnt everything,although it will affect price.

But when there is only 500 available,and usually a dozen at any given time then if you want to buy one you have to get whats available..A 3.0 coupe is a great compromise between looks and performance,i think they will always be good news


I sold my Z3MC a couple of years ago for over £10,000 with over 100k on......I had owned it a year and not lost a penny,and the guy who now owns it would probably find he wont lose a penny either if he was to shift it on..


Eastsix.... The Z3MC is definatly a classic...It does have a dedicated following and the cars are bringing good money... But buying an S54 engined Z3MC shouldnt be compared to buying a Z4MC,although similar money they are in 2 different parts of the car buying market...
if your only consideration is minimum depreciation......the Z3MC is the winner IMHO..
 
If I earned a £1 for each time this sort of thread was posted I would own a ///M roadster AND ///M coupe (either in current or future prices!)

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ranski said:
If I earned a £1 for each time this sort of thread was posted I would own a ///M roadster AND ///M coupe (either in current or future prices!)

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Sorry..

Roadsters not really in the discussion... :poke:
 
Z4M-2006 said:
ranski said:
If I earned a £1 for each time this sort of thread was posted I would own a ///M roadster AND ///M coupe (either in current or future prices!)

:thumbsup:
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Sorry..

Roadsters not really in the discussion... :poke:
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And if I earned another £1 each time that was said I wouldn't be driving a Z4 in any flavour

;)
 
m prices are on the up across the whole m range just been offered £14000 from bm for mine against a £20000 zed in mint with low miles mind you I agree with above they are week end toys that's why mile has 27000 miles on her for 06 plate
 
StevenH72 said:
I am inclined to disagree about the 3.0 coupé. Yes they are rare and yes they are an excellent compromise over the M. If you happen to ave on in good order then that will obviously keep its value better. However, many 3.0's are used as daily drivers and as such mileages are increasing 8-12k per year (on average). Many ///M's are weekend toys, so maybe see 2-4k per year mileage. In 3-5 years you will still be able to find lower mileage (<50k) ///M's, whereas most 3.0 will be significantly higher (80k+). Even if you have a lower mileage 3.0, the lower prices of the majority of cars will make it tough to charge significantly more than other available cars.

I think this is the main reason that prices won't firm up as quickly as the ///M.
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I've never thought of it like that, but you're actually quite right.

Though that does mean I now want to buy a Ferrari and do 20k pa in it! :rofl:
 
I think the M will always be a higher price, if people are buying them as collectors cars then they won't be do lots of miles in them, I think the extra running cost and insurance will be very little to a collector
 
srhutch said:
TBH i dont have any faith in those numbers, they have been prved wrong before.
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+1

My car doesn't even appear...

Perhaps there aren't any left and I've been imagining things...

Perhaps I should go and look in the garage...

I'm worried now in case it's empty...

:wink:
 
Ive had a good look at the market and the range of asking prices is a little bewildering.
Take this for example- approved used from sytner, 2007, 45k miles, £12450
http://www.sytner.co.uk/bmw/search/bmw-z4-coupe-sytner-select-leicester-442170-975040.aspx?st=Vehicle&vhl=-442170&drv=133894&loctn=975040#.UhfvoaU9l0s

But a quick look on ebay or autotrader and there are private sellers asking much the same money for similar spec cars!
 
Yea....

Thats a nice car but no nav( its what people want,although its crap) and it has that awful looking leather...In the flesh it looks like blood clot colouring.

I dont think they could realistically ask any more money for it.
 
Z4M-2006 said:
Yea....

Thats a nice car but no nav( its what people want,although its crap) and it has that awful looking leather...In the flesh it looks like blood clot colouring.

I dont think they could realistically ask any more money for it.
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Interesting-whats wrong with the sat nav, just hard to use or something?
And as for the leather, i get a bit confused with reds in pictures. I like what i would describe as 'tan' or ' burgundy', but in pics red leather often looks quite bright and garish, and the saddle brown looks a bit orange. Each to their own of course, but i darker red in a silver grey car does the job for me!
 
There are a few different red leather seats...

I have had red leather in my last 2 Z's (both different) and i think its really nice..... But IMHO Amarone is awful,but like you say,each to there own and beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that...

The Sat nav..

Its nice to have the screen on the dash,like i say i have had it in my previous Z's,not in my current one though... The nav capability is rubbish really,i never really used it.It will get you to where you want to be but a tom tom will beat it hands down in every deparment..

The screen is nice for your functions,but even in the latest E86's its still the old screen that old 5 or 3 series has so quailty wise its pretty poor,im talking 20 yr old tech here..

If the right car came along and it didnt have the screen then it wouldnt put me off buying,i dont miss it at all in my current Z...

Get out there and have a play and see if its an important aspect for your buying criteria..
 
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