CV-19 day 44 / light at the end ?

[exdos]

The recent UK demonstrations against events in the USA seem to indicate that there are people who have forgotten the social distancing message already. They will never learn:thumbsdown:

Exactly.

Thousands of people standing shoulder-to-shoulder in the streets, holding placards stating "...LIVES MATTER" whilst they're supposed to observe a 2 metre distancing Regulation because of the C-19 epidemic in order to "SAVE LIVES" is more than a little ironic.

 

[Vornwend]

The government is firmly in the frame for all of these although it might be conceded that our testing capability was a more long standing problem.

There's an even bigger epidemic in our country than C-19 and that's obesity. We've had home testing for this condition for generations - a set of bathroom scales! Obesity was a relatively uncommon condition when I were a lad, but now we've got a Nanny State a good proportion of our population don't seem to bother to use the scales now. Whenever you see obese people interviewed, they always seem to blame anything and everything except themselves for the state in which they now find themselves.

Is this our government's fault too, or is it the fault of the individual for eating too much and exercising too little?

Of course not but trying to respond to a new virus strain (with far from perfect knowledge of its epidemiology) is not something you can expect the public to know how to best deal with however intelligent they may be. We all relied on our government to make the right calls at the right time and they got it very wrong, especially so at the beginning.

 

[john-e89]

The government is firmly in the frame for all of these although it might be conceded that our testing capability was a more long standing problem.

There's an even bigger epidemic in our country than C-19 and that's obesity. We've had home testing for this condition for generations - a set of bathroom scales! Obesity was a relatively uncommon condition when I were a lad, but now we've got a Nanny State a good proportion of our population don't seem to bother to use the scales now. Whenever you see obese people interviewed, they always seem to blame anything and everything except themselves for the state in which they now find themselves.

Is this our government's fault too, or is it the fault of the individual for eating too much and exercising too little?

Of course not but trying to respond to a new virus strain (with far from perfect knowledge of its epidemiology) is not something you can expect the public to know how to best deal with however intelligent they may be. We all relied on our government to make the right calls at the right time and they got it very wrong, especially so at the beginning.

Well the public certainly know as much about the virus as anyone else now and are they behaving....??

Stupid as stupid gets...with this mentality we may as well forget the whole thing, open everything and let the virus do whatever it wants because with this behaviour it’s going nowhere, and don’t give the line about things being relaxed slightly so it’s the govt’s fault yet again, they never said go and do as you like on a nice sunnyday people. The pics just show my earlier post about lack of common sense and when it’s raining for a couple of weeks, these beach loving knuckle draggers will be shouting in anger that they’ve got the virus and are skint and where’s they’re handouts. FFS.

 

[Anonymous]

Given the earliest known dates suggested for the origin it seems implausible that so many people, hundreds of thousands were effected in the UK so early..plus..even though many people did have really bad attacks, very few died, unlike with COVID-19

Not sure why you think its a "conspiracy theory" :? i think its pretty much been proved people died in 2019 with CV19 present & as with a majority it most likely wasn't the cause of death but was a contributor & id like to know just how you based your theory that "very few died" when the death rate figures of the ONS for the last quarter of 2019 suggest different :wink:


1.Main points
.Death registrations in Quarter 4 2019
In Quarter 4 (Oct to Dec) 2019, there were 129,821 deaths registered in England. This was 8,674 more deaths than Quarter 4 2018 and 6,752 more deaths than the five-year average (2014 to 2018) for this quarter. Of the deaths registered in Quarter 4 2019,

Its also been stressed by the medical experts that many who test positive for CV19 will experience only mild symptoms or even non at all so its more than plausible for forum members to have already had it .

It’s clear that like many recent issues people are polarised...

To continue to pick at it...the incremental death rate you cite is inline with seasonal variations between a ‘good’ and ‘bad’ winter of flu related deaths..the delta increase in deaths was less than 5% variation whereas once COVID 19 got a grip the death rate was about 100% higher...

It’s not to say that some people were early adopters of the virus via routes such as skiing in Austria but in the lack of an autopsy report of a uk resident individual in November of December with COVID 19 antibodies I’m not sure were you get the ‘facts’..

I think my liberal left wing socialist rational thinking (in my mind) tendencies will only lead to disappointment with some members of this forum, so for the benefit of the tape I’m out of here in regard to anything to do with politics on this forum...I’ll stick to antagonising the 6 cylinder guys on the other sub sections ...

I very much respect the knowledge and experience of many here for their Z4 related expertise but I’ll leave the political activity to others...bye..

 

[clarker63]

I think my liberal left wing socialist rational thinking (in my mind) tendencies will only lead to disappointment with some members

You me, and Mark too!

 

[Vornwend]

Based on my own experience and the hard data the government is sharing with us (use of cars, public transport etc) its clear the vast majority of the public are still following the advice and have done from the beginning. Be critical of the media by all means but don't allow it to stir up division and anger. There are a small minority of people who will always chose to ignore advice or bend the rules. Coming out of lockdown was always going to be messy.

Comparisons with almost all other countries, imperfect as they may be, are showing us that we should have gone into lockdown much earlier and that we failed those in care homes - these things are the root cause of the disaster that has hit us. There is nothing special about the public in this country that required the government to take such a relaxed stance at the start of the pandemic. Compared to our European neighbours I would even say we have a higher propensity to follow the rules?

 

[john-e89]

Based on my own experience and the hard data the government is sharing with us (use of cars, public transport etc) its clear the vast majority of the public are still following the advice and have done from the beginning. Be critical of the media by all means but don't allow it to stir up division and anger. There are a small minority of people who will always chose to ignore advice or bend the rules. Coming out of lockdown was always going to be messy.

Comparisons with almost all other countries, imperfect as they may be, are showing us that we should have gone into lockdown much earlier and that we failed those in care homes - these things are the root cause of the disaster that has hit us. There is nothing special about the public in this country that required the government to take such a relaxed stance at the start of the pandemic. Compared to our European neighbours I would even say we have a higher propensity to follow the rules?

Nobody needs to stir up division and anger, the media are doing a very very fine job of that all by themselves, whipping the public up as best they can without a single thought it the consequences. Those beaches all around the country and national parks etc, queues miles long to get into Ikea etc, etc, the list goes on is not really a small minority, and notwithstanding that no one here needs to be told how this virus spread like an out of control wildfire once it got into the UK from what...just a couple of carriers perhaps and given how the R number works there’s no chance of this going anywhere with the stupidity of a lot of the public.

 

[exdos]

Based on my own experience and the hard data the government is sharing with us (use of cars, public transport etc) its clear the vast majority of the public are still following the advice and have done from the beginning.

Never before have I seen so many people in my very rural area than since we entered Lockdown. People have simply not remained in their own local communities. I would say that for many, the period has been treated as a very long Bank Holiday with pay.

 

[ronk]

Based on my own experience and the hard data the government is sharing with us (use of cars, public transport etc) its clear the vast majority of the public are still following the advice and have done from the beginning.

Never before have I seen so many people in my very rural area than since we entered Lockdown. People have simply not remained in their own local communities. I would say that for many, the period has been treated as a very long Bank Holiday with pay.

That all comes back to my Common Sense not being that common!

 

[Nictrix]

Based on my own experience and the hard data the government is sharing with us (use of cars, public transport etc) its clear the vast majority of the public are still following the advice and have done from the beginning.

Never before have I seen so many people in my very rural area than since we entered Lockdown. People have simply not remained in their own local communities. I would say that for many, the period has been treated as a very long Bank Holiday with pay.

That all comes back to my Common Sense not being that common!

In my opinion at the beginning of the so called lockdown the government said the wrong thing which was that you were allowed out to exercise.
This basically opened the doors for people to wander wherever they liked, and a lot of people if you give them an inch they will take a mile.
They must have realised that this was a mistake but rather than recall the advice a few weeks later they opened it up even further saying people could travel to exercise as well.
You cant teach stupid.

 

[mr.tourette]

not sure about light at the end of the tunnel, it was reported that yesterday we had had more deaths then the whole EU 27 member states combined. That does not make good reading

 

[Tinker15]

not sure about light at the end of the tunnel, it was reported that yesterday we had had more deaths then the whole EU 27 member states combined. That does not make good reading

Is it Diane Abbott doing the reporting?

 

[Vornwend]

I think there has been quite a bit of research/evidence that says the risks of catching the virus outdoors is really quite low. I've read you need to be exposed to quite a high viral load for quite a long time ( >15 minutes?) for it to be significantly high risk hence the reason most shops, restaurants, gyms, pubs etc are still closed. Sporting events might be outside but if you as a spectator are in close proximity to a carrier for extended periods then that carries higher risk. Another risk is that the virus can survive on surfaces - hence the advice on hand washing and not touching your face. Being outdoors you are far less likely to be in contact with contaminated surfaces or in extended close contact with carriers, particularly if you are able to maintain social distancing. I can see the logic in all that.

The big mistake the UK made was to allow shops, restaurants and pubs to stay open for almost 2 weeks when the virus and the R rate was well over 1, particularly in London. By the time the lockdown came the virus had bolted.

 

[ronk]

not sure about light at the end of the tunnel, it was reported that yesterday we had had more deaths then the whole EU 27 member states combined. That does not make good reading

This site seems to be ok - it shows the data in a sensible manner ie non sensational!
It is updated daily.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

 

[MrPT]

Who's at fault if the government thought the country would be more obedient than it has been? All involved parties?

 

[mr.tourette]

not sure about light at the end of the tunnel, it was reported that yesterday we had had more deaths then the whole EU 27 member states combined. That does not make good reading

Is it Diane Abbott doing the reporting?

You don't have dont have to make this political or racist or whatever your agenda is.. your posts are always pro brexit, pro tory, anti EU and now quite frankly boring, obnoxious, distasteful and repetetive, you got what you voted for so be happy and move on with your hatred and enjoy, perhaps act like a grown intelligent man and not a smug moron with his hands in a bucket of glee.. just a thought

 

[mr.tourette]

359 deaths in uk yesterday.. 330 in EU27 combined, and because the Daily Fail is so well loved here I'm sure you'll appreciate their reporting of it.. No Diane Abbott required
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8387971/Britain-announces-coronavirus-deaths.html

 

[mr.tourette]

not sure about light at the end of the tunnel, it was reported that yesterday we had had more deaths then the whole EU 27 member states combined. That does not make good reading

This site seems to be ok - it shows the data in a sensible manner ie non sensational!
It is updated daily.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

No sensationalism here Ronk, those figures from yesterday are from the WHO

 

[ronk]

I meant the general reporting in the mass media being sensationalist.
The site only shows numbers and doesn’t attempt to score any political points.

 

[Tinker15]

You don't have dont have to make this political or racist or whatever your agenda is.. your posts are always pro brexit, pro tory, anti EU and now quite frankly boring, obnoxious, distasteful and repetetive, you got what you voted for so be happy and move on with your hatred and enjoy, perhaps act like a grown intelligent man and not a smug moron with his hands in a bucket of glee.. just a thought

And your posts aren't political or repetitive presumably. You don't know me at all so your comments are fatuous to say the least. I own a property in France and voted remain. I am no racist for your information. I voted Conservative and am quite happy with my choice thank you. Is it a left tendency to resort to insults when someone doesn't agree with your views?