CV-19 day 44 / light at the end ?

[ronk]

I agree there is a lot of Govt BS when they want to send my grandchildren to school yet not allow me (who has been self isolating) to get within 2m of her - If it’s that safe to send a 5yr old to school it’s safe for the malingering MPs back to parliament!

I do think out attitudes and judgments are coloured by our own personal situations.
Ie Working, Self Employed , Rich, Poor, Retired etc etc.

 

[Anonymous]

Mr Wilks..not arguing about the sentiment of your points..

It’s a question of education, the UK government is slow on both education and being candid as to why they have made the decisions they have made..

However the latest facts from the detailed UK analysis of UK deaths against their known medical history suggests that COVID-19 is at least 10 times more lethal than a normal flu..

They suggest 0.9% case fatality rate...and separately evidence suggests those that end up in hospital and do survive have a myriad of complex,non flu problems..

As already clearly stated there is a log relationship between death rate and age..so as you become older the probabilities of dying if you catch raise at an exponential rate..

So for the under 50s the risks are closer to suicide, road death, cancer numerically..

For those over 50 they rapidly increase in severity and consequence...none of those would fly on an airline offering those odds

You can always find an individual who’s view confirms a personally held perspective...

So yes it’s a world largely occupied by two half’s..those that know/believe they are not going to be badly affected, at least with reasonable odds and those that know/fear there odds are not good if they catch it..

All IMHO

 

[ronk]

Whilst a difficult situation to Govern if I'm not mistaken we have the second highest death rates in the world.

Close!
We are only in third place in the deaths/million of population. I personally can’t see any reasons to relax at this time.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

 

[Angelus666]

A lot of people have been praising Rishi for his strategy on furlough, but IMO he's done an utter piss poor job at this....he's the reality of my 3 immediate neighbours.

Neighbour 1 - My neighbour is a black cab driver, he is able to claim the full £2500 a month on furlough as he's not doing his normal taxi in London. However, he has been working every day throughout this as a delivery driver for a local council, earning the same amount of money as he would have done as a cabbie. He's giving the furlough money to his wife and spoilt brat kids to buy designer handbags.

Neighbour 2 - I have a household of 6 Polish immigrants sharing a house (nice people), they have been in the UK for 8-12 months doing warehouse jobs. They are able to claim the full £2500 a month on furlough, but they have found other warehouse jobs (not sure on their earnings) and have been working all the way through this period. That household is claiming £15k a month.

Neighbour 3 - Has been in the UK since birth, worked for 25 years as an IT professional and has been PAYE across multiple companies and probably paid in a fair whack over the years. Last September he left to start up his own freelance consultancy. His clients have all dried up and as he hasn't submitted any accounts yet he isn't entitled to any form of furlough money. He has been told to seek universal credit, but because he has more than £3k in the bank he isn't entitled to it.

We could have very easily created a cleaner system by having a smaller furlough value based on contributions matched to NI and suspending all household bills....council tax, gas, electricity, broadband, phone, etc and then those companies would then receive direct government payment and/or tax breaks for a few years to recoup that money.

If you're on the national average of £27k, you're actually better off not going back to work. How he thought this system was workable is embarrassing.

 

[mr wilks]

@Angelus666 - totally 100% agree its a massively flawed scheme , i was accepted for the self employed grant , i missed a total of 16 days yet if i had claimed i would have received almost £6k which clearly was way more than i had lost ( i didn't pursue it )

@Pbondar - i read the link you posted up earlier today , i'm not disagreeing with any of it though it did state it was all unsubstantiated & only covered numbers up to late April .
Clearly it is more dangerous to aged men with diabetes as stats prove that but should also be noted if you are over 5o & catch it you aren't necessarily going to die like many would like to imply , both my parents ( aged 74) have had Cv19 , father was first in early April & barring some mild annoyance largely unaffected however my mother started late April & was in a bad way for 3 -4 weeks skirting between ambulance visiting at home on 3 occasions - Dr's surgery & as last resort a hospital visit which everyone was keen to avoid . Both are now "relieved" to have had it & survived , almost immunised & now back to their routine of M&S food shop every Friday which is their idea of getting back to normal

 

[Smartbear]

A lot of people have been praising Rishi for his strategy on furlough, but IMO he's done an utter piss poor job at this....he's the reality of my 3 immediate neighbours.

Neighbour 1 - My neighbour is a black cab driver, he is able to claim the full £2500 a month on furlough as he's not doing his normal taxi in London. However, he has been working every day throughout this as a delivery driver for a local council, earning the same amount of money as he would have done as a cabbie. He's giving the furlough money to his wife and spoilt brat kids to buy designer handbags.

Neighbour 2 - I have a household of 6 Polish immigrants sharing a house (nice people), they have been in the UK for 8-12 months doing warehouse jobs. They are able to claim the full £2500 a month on furlough, but they have found other warehouse jobs (not sure on their earnings) and have been working all the way through this period. That household is claiming £15k a month.

Neighbour 3 - Has been in the UK since birth, worked for 25 years as an IT professional and has been PAYE across multiple companies and probably paid in a fair whack over the years. Last September he left to start up his own freelance consultancy. His clients have all dried up and as he hasn't submitted any accounts yet he isn't entitled to any form of furlough money. He has been told to seek universal credit, but because he has more than £3k in the bank he isn't entitled to it.

We could have very easily created a cleaner system by having a smaller furlough value based on contributions matched to NI and suspending all household bills....council tax, gas, electricity, broadband, phone, etc and then those companies would then receive direct government payment and/or tax breaks for a few years to recoup that money.

If you're on the national average of £27k, you're actually better off not going back to work. How he thought this system was workable is embarrassing.

The government had their backs against the wall & had to come up with something in double quick time to help the country in an emergency situation, of course it’s possible to pick holes in it!
Rob

 

[scootr]

Bit of a cockup here. ( been wanting to say that ) Just when they are easing the lockdown (I think) more for economic reasons than anything else. We have thousands of people rioting in the streets forcing thousands of Policemen to stand shoulder to shoulder and face off with the rock tossers and looters. The African Americans were already disproportionately represented in the virus casualties. No doubt we will see some increase in cases in the coming weeks. Don't be fooled into thinking it's safe to go anywhere just yet

 

[mr wilks]

Bit of a cockup here. ( been wanting to say that ) Just when they are easing the lockdown (I think) more for economic reasons than anything else. We have thousands of people rioting in the streets forcing thousands of Policemen to stand shoulder to shoulder and face off with the rock tossers and looters. The African Americans were already disproportionately represented in the virus casualties. No doubt we will see some increase in cases in the coming weeks. Don't be fooled into thinking it's safe to go anywhere just yet

USA has some terrible scenes going on right now pent up frustrations won't have helped & the Floyd trigger being pulled was the last thing any country needs right now , you only need a peek at the protest in UK to see how things are bubbling under the surface
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8374007/Hundreds-Black-Lives-Matter-activists-chanting-breathe-gather-Trafalgar-Square.html

 

[exdos]

We have thousands of people rioting in the streets forcing thousands of Policemen to stand shoulder to shoulder and face off with the rock tossers and looters.

Fortunately, here in the UK, those desperate to get out of Lockdown are just heading to the parks and beaches to get some sunshine and not indulging in cvil unrest, although it is understandable that some form of peaceful protest should occur in the US.

 

[ronk]

I fear the US thing isn’t going to end well :thumbsdown:

 

[Anonymous]

Bit of a cockup here. ( been wanting to say that ) Just when they are easing the lockdown (I think) more for economic reasons than anything else. We have thousands of people rioting in the streets forcing thousands of Policemen to stand shoulder to shoulder and face off with the rock tossers and looters. The African Americans were already disproportionately represented in the virus casualties. No doubt we will see some increase in cases in the coming weeks. Don't be fooled into thinking it's safe to go anywhere just yet

USA has some terrible scenes going on right now pent up frustrations won't have helped & the Floyd trigger being pulled was the last thing any country needs right now , you only need a peek at the protest in UK to see how things are bubbling under the surface
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8374007/Hundreds-Black-Lives-Matter-activists-chanting-breathe-gather-Trafalgar-Square.html

It’s a crazy world..those pictures are to some of us in Scotland are unbelievable...as you stated there are two camps..here in rural Scottish Borders I have neighbours that won’t even get within 5 metres let alone 2 metres..

 

[ben g]

A lot of people have been praising Rishi for his strategy on furlough, but IMO he's done an utter piss poor job at this....he's the reality of my 3 immediate neighbours.

Neighbour 1 - My neighbour is a black cab driver, he is able to claim the full £2500 a month on furlough as he's not doing his normal taxi in London. However, he has been working every day throughout this as a delivery driver for a local council, earning the same amount of money as he would have done as a cabbie. He's giving the furlough money to his wife and spoilt brat kids to buy designer handbags.

Neighbour 2 - I have a household of 6 Polish immigrants sharing a house (nice people), they have been in the UK for 8-12 months doing warehouse jobs. They are able to claim the full £2500 a month on furlough, but they have found other warehouse jobs (not sure on their earnings) and have been working all the way through this period. That household is claiming £15k a month.

Neighbour 3 - Has been in the UK since birth, worked for 25 years as an IT professional and has been PAYE across multiple companies and probably paid in a fair whack over the years. Last September he left to start up his own freelance consultancy. His clients have all dried up and as he hasn't submitted any accounts yet he isn't entitled to any form of furlough money. He has been told to seek universal credit, but because he has more than £3k in the bank he isn't entitled to it.

We could have very easily created a cleaner system by having a smaller furlough value based on contributions matched to NI and suspending all household bills....council tax, gas, electricity, broadband, phone, etc and then those companies would then receive direct government payment and/or tax breaks for a few years to recoup that money.

If you're on the national average of £27k, you're actually better off not going back to work. How he thought this system was workable is embarrassing.

The government had their backs against the wall & had to come up with something in double quick time to help the country in an emergency situation, of course it’s possible to pick holes in it!
Rob

I want to know how someone's getting £2500 monthly furlough as a black cabbie or a warehouse worker :lol: I'm a production worker on a decent enough wage (compared to other similar jobs) and didn't even get £2500 I actually lost out because my shift premium wasn't included, so I was losing out on £300 after deductions every month. I was on furlough for 8 weeks.

 

[pvr]

The plumbers I had here were furloughed but continuing to work so on a very nice earner.

On the other side, I can't understand how many people are not working when they easily can. Seems a lot of people have just given up and wait for the hand outs.

 

[BrianD]

Not sure if anyone else in the medical profession has heard this, but I have had it on good authority from a friend who currently holds a very senior position within one of Scotlands NHS health trusts. He has said that the government and NHS are now thinking that the first cases on Covid19 could have possibly been as early as October last year. The recorded flu death rate was also higher than what would normally have been expected, with deaths being recorded as flu/respiratory type symptoms. To that end, the government has secretly requested this week that all health authorities in the UK are to pull all the patients records who suffered and died from the now known Covid19 symptoms. The government has also requested that any tissue/samples taken at the time are to be resubmitted as a priority for testing for traces of Covid19 virus. Should the tests sampled from around the UK confirm the presence of Covid19 virus, then that would confirm the government's initial thoughts that the UK has already had the second wave. I found this all very interesting as both myself and my wife along with many friends had all shown what we now know to be Covid19 symptoms around mid December and early January. If it is correct and tests confirm this, I wounder what the governments approach will be?

 

[mr wilks]

Highly possible Brian , they have done similar backtracking in France & found cases relating to deaths in December 2019 .
I certainly believe i had it in mild form early February after a 5 day trip to France with a friend who was in Austria mid January & returned with what now appears to have been CV19 symptoms .

 

[TitanTim]

But you don't know if you did have Covid unless tested, might just have been a common cold :?

Tim.

 

[mr wilks]

But you don't know if you did have Covid unless tested, might just have been a common cold :?

Tim.

The symptoms were not like a common cold though :roll:

 

[dr_john]

Not sure if anyone else in the medical profession has heard this, but I have had it on good authority from a friend who currently holds a very senior position within one of Scotlands NHS health trusts. He has said that the government and NHS are now thinking that the first cases on Covid19 could have possibly been as early as October last year. The recorded flu death rate was also higher than what would normally have been expected, with deaths being recorded as flu/respiratory type symptoms. To that end, the government has secretly requested this week that all health authorities in the UK are to pull all the patients records who suffered and died from the now known Covid19 symptoms. The government has also requested that any tissue/samples taken at the time are to be resubmitted as a priority for testing for traces of Covid19 virus. Should the tests sampled from around the UK confirm the presence of Covid19 virus, then that would confirm the government's initial thoughts that the UK has already had the second wave. I found this all very interesting as both myself and my wife along with many friends had all shown what we now know to be Covid19 symptoms around mid December and early January. If it is correct and tests confirm this, I wounder what the governments approach will be?

Interesting.

I had something at the start of January that had all the classic CV19 symptoms (dry cough, fever, feeling like sh1t generally) that went on for about a month, my wife came down with it also but about 2 weeks behind me.

I've often wondered if it was CV19 but doubted it as it seemed too early.

 

[mr wilks]

Not sure if anyone else in the medical profession has heard this, but I have had it on good authority from a friend who currently holds a very senior position within one of Scotlands NHS health trusts. He has said that the government and NHS are now thinking that the first cases on Covid19 could have possibly been as early as October last year. The recorded flu death rate was also higher than what would normally have been expected, with deaths being recorded as flu/respiratory type symptoms. To that end, the government has secretly requested this week that all health authorities in the UK are to pull all the patients records who suffered and died from the now known Covid19 symptoms. The government has also requested that any tissue/samples taken at the time are to be resubmitted as a priority for testing for traces of Covid19 virus. Should the tests sampled from around the UK confirm the presence of Covid19 virus, then that would confirm the government's initial thoughts that the UK has already had the second wave. I found this all very interesting as both myself and my wife along with many friends had all shown what we now know to be Covid19 symptoms around mid December and early January. If it is correct and tests confirm this, I wounder what the governments approach will be?

Interesting.

I had something at the start of January that had all the classic CV19 symptoms (dry cough, fever, feeling like sh1t generally) that went on for about a month, my wife came down with it also but about 2 weeks behind me.

I've often wondered if it was CV19 but doubted it as it seemed too early.

Exactly the same symptoms i experienced , for the best part of 3 weeks a continuous tickly cough / clearing of the throat along with a high temp & aches that would disappear after 24 hrs then return 48hrs later yet never fully develop into what we would commonly know as flu .
Nothing like a common cold , at no time did i have a runny nose .

 

[Swiftly]

Not sure if anyone else in the medical profession has heard this, but I have had it on good authority from a friend who currently holds a very senior position within one of Scotlands NHS health trusts. He has said that the government and NHS are now thinking that the first cases on Covid19 could have possibly been as early as October last year. The recorded flu death rate was also higher than what would normally have been expected, with deaths being recorded as flu/respiratory type symptoms. To that end, the government has secretly requested this week that all health authorities in the UK are to pull all the patients records who suffered and died from the now known Covid19 symptoms. The government has also requested that any tissue/samples taken at the time are to be resubmitted as a priority for testing for traces of Covid19 virus. Should the tests sampled from around the UK confirm the presence of Covid19 virus, then that would confirm the government's initial thoughts that the UK has already had the second wave. I found this all very interesting as both myself and my wife along with many friends had all shown what we now know to be Covid19 symptoms around mid December and early January. If it is correct and tests confirm this, I wounder what the governments approach will be?

Interesting.

I had something at the start of January that had all the classic CV19 symptoms (dry cough, fever, feeling like sh1t generally) that went on for about a month, my wife came down with it also but about 2 weeks behind me.

I've often wondered if it was CV19 but doubted it as it seemed too early.

Exactly the same symptoms i experienced , for the best part of 3 weeks a continuous tickly cough / clearing of the throat along with a high temp & aches that would disappear after 24 hrs then return 48hrs later yet never fully develop into what we would commonly know as flu .
Nothing like a common cold , at no time did i have a runny nose .

Interesting, me and the other half experiencing similar symptoms back at the beginning of January, in fact most of my office also came down over a 2 week period with similar symptoms. In fact a good 50% of staff ended up going on sick leave. It was the persistent tickly cough which took nearly 4 weeks to clear that was a common theme experienced amongst everyone.