CV-19 day 44 / light at the end ?

[Anonymous]

I'm not fanning the flames here but this proved a interesting read on why New Zealand may not have played the perfect hand many assume they have https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8300631/Swedish-Covid-19-expert-says-lockdown-merely-delaying-inevitable.html to continue CV free longterm they would need to quarantine (until a vaccine is found ) every single person who travels onto the island could take years :| is that feasible :?

Part of my family lives in NZ and I have business relationships there too..

In fact we have one of our NZ nieces staying with us now courtesy 2nd order impacts of COVID-19

NZ and Australia are planning a South Pacific 'bubble' where no one comes in or out without being in quarantine until there are treatments..

That is their plan! Kisses goodbye to tourism UTFN..

 

[Vornwend]

Well said Mr wilks I have visited both NZ and OZ and they huge countries both with very strict border controls as the norm (which I think is a good thing ) so control of this virus for them is a hell of a lot easier than the small over crowded poorly border controlled country that is the UK

Have also visited Australia and NZ. Interestingly around 90% of the NZ population lives in an urban setting (UK 83%) and around 1/3rd of its population live in Auckland so the population is not as widely dispersed as you might think - huge areas like the southern alps are uninhabited. Likewise Australia which has 86% of its population living in an urban setting. It was entirely our choice how we controlled our borders wasn't it?

I'm not fanning the flames here but this proved a interesting read on why New Zealand may not have played the perfect hand many assume they have https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8300631/Swedish-Covid-19-expert-says-lockdown-merely-delaying-inevitable.html to continue CV free longterm they would need to quarantine (until a vaccine is found ) every single person who travels onto the island could take years :| is that feasible :?

I guess it boils down to whether or not you think a vaccine will be effective and when it will arrive. The alternative proposed in the article is herd immunity theory which I think the government dropped quite early on. Allowing the virus to run through the population also carries another risk - that the virus mutates and becomes even more deadly and/or starts to affect other age groups as it does the elderly and those with underlying conditions. My preference is to wait for a vaccine. Track and trace could also be effective if you keep on top of the numbers while you are waiting for a vaccine or treatment. Keep the R number beneath 1 and the virus will disappear. There is a huge international effort under way to find a vaccine and I remain hopeful that it will save us! I suspect the world couldn't wait decades though.

 

[exdos]

We can blame the government all we want.

But people are treating this like a paid summer holiday and not even trying to adhere to the measures put in place.

If there is a finger of blame to be pointed,its firmly at the populous that cant be arsed to sit in the house,watch TV and drink beer and be paid for the privilege.

Hear! Hear!

Absolutely my sentiments from what I see. I've never seen so many people around my rural area, on foot, on bikes and in cars.

 

[ronk]

The VE celebration today in our cul de sac was celebrated by chairs and drinks at the end of each drive - all very civilised. The children stayed in their own area at first - then mingled. As the drink took effect on the parents it was all back to normal for parents and children . Just a normal sunny afternoon party!

This boring old fart retreated into his own back garden. I would rather wait this out and hope for better days ahead when it’s hopefully safe to do so!

We live in hope.

 

[Ming]

I'm a self employed courier in the parcel industry and we've been flat out (busier than pre Christmas) as although many businesses are closed the core of our work is now to private addresses as people stuck at home order shed loads (pun intended) of garden stuff to keep them occupied during the lockdown. Compost, trees, paint, bird seed - all vital deliveries! Although we are still delivering to pharmacies, hospitals etc so are classed as essential workers. I'm happy to do it as once on the road I'm on my own and leave the parcels on the doorstep, ring the bell and stand back, so avoid close contact. Just got to be careful in the depot as most of the monkeys in there just don't get it and try to invade my space! My wife works in the local hospital and ironically has seen a fall in people coming in, as most routine scanning etc has been cancelled.

However, although my commute at 5.30am into Exeter has seen the same amount of vehicles on the road, the return trip in the afternoon on Thursday was reminiscent of a normal pre-Bank Holiday on the M5 - cars with roof boxes, motorhomes and car loads of people. As the touring caravan parks and many hotels/b&b's are closed God knows where they're planning to stay - maybe a relaxing break in a layby on the A38 is planned. Due to cutbacks we seem to only have 2 traffic cars to cover the whole of Devon and three policemen to operate them so it seems like a free for all. I think people have seen reports on various forums about Spain and Italy amongst others gradually releasing the lockdown and taking that as a green light that we're in the clear. I'm on various bike forums as my first love is motorcycles but everyone seems pretty worried about being seen out, especially in groups, in case others think they're taking the pi$$. In fact most would actively try and keep a bigger distance when stopped and it's really only the younger guys on noisy 125's with no baffles that are out and about. I think a big group is still going to attract attention but routine travel by 4 wheels is definitely getting back to normal, at least down here.

 

[Phoenixboy]

I'm a self employed courier in the parcel industry and we've been flat out (busier than pre Christmas) as although many businesses are closed the core of our work is now to private addresses as people stuck at home order shed loads (pun intended) of garden stuff to keep them occupied during the lockdown. Compost, trees, paint, bird seed - all vital deliveries! Although we are still delivering to pharmacies, hospitals etc so are classed as essential workers. I'm happy to do it as once on the road I'm on my own and leave the parcels on the doorstep, ring the bell and stand back, so avoid close contact. Just got to be careful in the depot as most of the monkeys in there just don't get it and try to invade my space! My wife works in the local hospital and ironically has seen a fall in people coming in, as most routine scanning etc has been cancelled.

However, although my commute at 5.30am into Exeter has seen the same amount of vehicles on the road, the return trip in the afternoon on Thursday was reminiscent of a normal pre-Bank Holiday on the M5 - cars with roof boxes, motorhomes and car loads of people. As the touring caravan parks and many hotels/b&b's are closed God knows where they're planning to stay - maybe a relaxing break in a layby on the A38 is planned. Due to cutbacks we seem to only have 2 traffic cars to cover the whole of Devon and three policemen to operate them so it seems like a free for all. I think people have seen reports on various forums about Spain and Italy amongst others gradually releasing the lockdown and taking that as a green light that we're in the clear. I'm on various bike forums as my first love is motorcycles but everyone seems pretty worried about being seen out, especially in groups, in case others think they're taking the pi$$. In fact most would actively try and keep a bigger distance when stopped and it's really only the younger guys on noisy 125's with no baffles that are out and about. I think a big group is still going to attract attention but routine travel by 4 wheels is definitely getting back to normal, at least down here.

Yes, would agree the traffic around Exeter seems almost back to normal levels.
I traveled to Totnes a couple of days ago to drop stuff off to mums, and was hardly quiet on the roads.
I understand the reason behind non essential travel, but many seem to feel they are safe in there car out and about, and the rule suggesting you can drive a reasonable distance to then exercise seems to just be a free for all.

 

[Crazy Harry]

We can blame the government all we want.

But people are treating this like a paid summer holiday and not even trying to adhere to the measures put in place.

If there is a finger of blame to be pointed,its firmly at the populous that cant be arsed to sit in the house,watch TV and drink beer and be paid for the privilege.

Hear! Hear!

Absolutely my sentiments from what I see. I've never seen so many people around my rural area, on foot, on bikes and in cars.

... and I refer you back to a comment I made as we went into lockdown - "there's a lot of stupid out there". We only ever saw a few dog walkers round here in the past but now its non stop walkers as people have time to explore and the hordes of families with now well exercised dogs all failing to' pick up' dog crap after them :thumbsdown: .. the only glimmer of hope is that the evil biting flies will be out soon one dose of them and they won't be back.

 

[exdos]

... its non stop walkers as people have time to explore and the hordes of families with now well exercised dogs all failing to' pick up' dog crap after them :thumbsdown: ..

I live in a rural location with a public footpath besides my house behind a tall fence which is rarely used and it enters into a field, which is part of my property. 10 days ago in the early evening, I went out into my garden to look at something at the bottom of my garden, and when I turned around to come back to the house I saw a man in my field with no trousers on after taking a crap! I'd never seen this c**t before, so even the walkers are now joining the dogs crapping all over the place and not picking up!

 

[MrPT]

I live in a rural location with a public footpath besides my house behind a tall fence which is rarely used and it enters into a field, which is part of my property. 10 days ago in the early evening, I went out into my garden to look at something at the bottom of my garden, and when I turned around to come back to the house I saw a man in my field with no trousers on after taking a crap! I'd never seen this c**t before, so even the walkers are now joining the dogs crapping all over the place and not picking up!

I’m sorry, but

 

[exdos]

I’m sorry, but

Don't worry, I see the funny side of the story and that's partly why I told it. I'll refrain from telling the conversation that took place though.

 

[MrPT]

I’m sorry, but

Don't worry, I see the funny side of the story and that's partly why I told it. I'll refrain from telling the conversation that took place though.

I mean if the fella’s still kicking about I’d say you did well to exhibit some self restraint. Madness.

He could at least have had the courtesy to bag it and hang it on a fence post to pick up on his way home.

 

[ronk]

Hmmm, I have a horrible feeling it will be:

1. Loosen the restrictions
2. The Covidiots all come out to play
3. The infection rate goes back up
4. The sensible folk are sent back to square 1.
5. And repeat ad infinitum, until all the Covidiots have dropped dead

NB. Please see this in the cynical humour it was meant, and lets not all go off on a rant

Can’t see any flaw in your observations

 

[Nictrix]

Hmmm, I have a horrible feeling it will be:

1. Loosen the restrictions
2. The Covidiots all come out to play
3. The infection rate goes back up
4. The sensible folk are sent back to square 1.
5. And repeat ad infinitum, until all the Covidiots have dropped dead

NB. Please see this in the cynical humour it was meant, and lets not all go off on a rant

Can’t see any flaw in your observations

Im sure I heard that Spain had eased lockdown and after a few days the deaths started going up again.
This just seems to me like the obvious thing that would happen and when we do it the same will happen here.

 

[mr wilks]

Well the update from Boris was delivered with the usual conviction but not exactly inspiring & can't say it left me thinking we have any true direction though he did perk me right up with his permission " you can drive to other destinations " can't just be me that heard that
The pint in the pub garden might still be on for July too

 

[Nictrix]

Well the update from Boris was delivered with the usual conviction but not exactly inspiring & can't say it left me thinking we have any true direction though he did perk me right up with his permission " you can drive to other destinations " can't just be me that heard that
The pint in the pub garden might still be on for July too

Its all very contradicting, stay at home but go out and exercise all you want.
On the way home from work today I passed someone getting out of their car with a burger king order, I have to assume that they are now open as well. Who decides what companies can open back up to trade as it doesnt seem fair that some are allowed while others are not.
I would also have preferred any of the governments spokespeople to come on and be angry with what has been going on with people out and about rather than thanking them for doing their bit and sticking with the plan, which just isnt happening.

 

[mr wilks]

Well the update from Boris was delivered with the usual conviction but not exactly inspiring & can't say it left me thinking we have any true direction though he did perk me right up with his permission " you can drive to other destinations " can't just be me that heard that
The pint in the pub garden might still be on for July too

Its all very contradicting, stay at home but go out and exercise all you want.
On the way home from work today I passed someone getting out of their car with a burger king order, I have to assume that they are now open as well. Who decides what companies can open back up to trade as it doesnt seem fair that some are allowed while others are not.
I would also have preferred any of the governments spokespeople to come on and be angry with what has been going on with people out and about rather than thanking them for doing their bit and sticking with the plan, which just isnt happening.

There is so much fudging of lines that it's difficult to say who is or isn't breaking the rules.
The last 7 weeks might look quite disciplined compared to the next

 

[TitanTim]

So basically the Govenment have given people 12 hours notice to return to work if you're unable to work from home and if you do return to work tomorrow morning not to use public transport but to walk or cycle :|

Nothing like being prepared

The unlimited excercise is just a green light for the population to return to normal.

Looks like those hospitals hastily thrown up and now being mothballed will be seeing a roaring trade in a months time

Stay alert!

Tim.

 

[Ming]

As long as you don't go to Wales or Scotland it seems within England is a free for all. Just use the excuse that you're travelling somewhere nice to exercise and you're fine.

Just be mindful not to openly socialise in close proximity to anyone and you'll be fine if you take the Zed for a spin

 

[mr.tourette]

it's truly depressing just how incompetent our Governments handling of this is, they have literally learned nothing from the countries that have dealt with this successfully and now a load of garbled mixed messages about relaxing the lockdown, may as well have just gone on tv and said "do as you please".. absolute shower of shite :thumbsdown:
Stay safe peeps its going to get very messy out there

 

[MrPT]

Would have loved a bit more clarity re. contact between friends and family. We’ve just had a corona-baby and he’s probably not going to get a hug from grandpa or grandma now for at least three months. Yes, they’re at heightened risk because of their age, but to see the entire question avoided, let alone mention any guidelines re. co-isolation across households, is very disappointing.

Other countries appear to be tackling this question - probably the most pressing after maintaining livelihoods and emergency healthcare - head on.