CSL wheels and lowering

I am thinking of slapping a set of CSL wheels on my Z4MC next month and perhaps lowering the car slightly, would I need to add a full set of coilovers, or would a set of lowering springs suffice? I have never lowered a car before so I have no idea! :lol:
 
on my roadster but very similar i suppose - i used lower Eibach springs with 19" CSLs - will be upgrading to full coilovers etc when i can afford them... :!:
 
As markdesigns above, ///M coupe.
No rubbing, fantastic handling, but firm ride can be very uncomfortable on dodgy UK roads...avoiding every pothole, manhole cover, and cat's eye is quite a skill :P
 
BMWZ4MC said:
As markdesigns above, ///M coupe.
No rubbing, fantastic handling, but firm ride can be very uncomfortable on dodgy UK roads...avoiding every pothole, manhole cover, and cat's eye is quite a skill :P

That is my only concern with purchasing CSLs.

The standard ride on the Z4M isn't a million miles away from my TT, BUT the TT was lowered on coilovers, stiffer bushes and arbs and with 19" wheels. :oops:
 
I'm happy to put up with it because the car looks great and performs brilliantly with this set up. I've kept my OEM wheels for track use, so I can swap back if my spine starts to crumble...
As a consequence of the car being somewhat skittish on very rough surfaces, the traction control can kick a little sooner with 19" wheels than the OEM set up, but there is an easy remedy for this :D

As for my TT, the handling was great - for much of the time it was raised on the soft suspension and tyre set up of an RAC tow truck :P
 
having spent alot of time on track with both the 18s and 19s, probably in excess of 20+ combined i can definatly confirm the 19s are far better for handling and grip on a smooth track surface, but the 19s tamline much more on the open road, csls in correct Csl sizes with the correct michlin tyre i can honestly say you will be blown away, plus the 19s allow me to get a massive 380mm + brakes and on top of all the other pro's the look thee absolute danglies. i personally hate a lowered car, my car currently has the stock suspension and will be replaced once it starts to get baggy but @ only 10k miles its a waste of money replacing my taut stock setup which is already brilliant on the track, once i find a perfect coilover setup that allows STOCK ride height i will swap over, remember all the coilover manufacturers will tell you the higher you have their coilover set, the better handling you will have, why? becuase you allow proper damper travel and movement, lower looks great but isnt always better unless you have a coilover designed with the shorter travel in mind.

my audi tt Qs has a lowered coilovers, r 32 ARBS, Billet Drop links, complete polybush set and i can honestly say my stock suspended z4m leaves it standing in the handling department, literally.

Unfortunatly im not a fan of just sticking springs on a car, without matching damper rates your car will very likely not handle better, it will looks better but it wont handle any better, if you want to get a better handling car your going to need a good tyre setup, polybushes, uprated arbs, camber adjustment..... then you can really start to dial in some serious handling....
 
I fancy a set of Ohlins height-adjustable coil-overs, or the Bilstein ride-control system that can be adjusted for ride comfort from within the cabin. Probably won't get either though, as I've promised not to modify my car this time :oops:
 
I've driven great deal on tracks in various cars, including Sevens with fully adjustable suspenson setups, and Beedub, I agree with your sentiments regarding just sticking springs on a car and expecting radical improvements. Furthermore, as others have stated, BMW will have made far greater research investments into handling and suspension than Eibach or the like can hope to echo.
I changed to Eibachs because one of my rear springs failed, and I thought it pointless to replace it with OEM when they have a proven poor track record. I didn't want to lower the car or alter the handling characteristics, but I found it impossible to obtain non-OEM springs that did not lower the car to some extent.
However, having had the opportunity to drive my ///MC on the track with OEM wheels and stock OEM suspension (pre-spring failure) and then on the same track with the same wheels and tyres, but with Eibach springs, I am confident that the turn in is sharper, body roll whilst cornering is reduced, and power can be put down at an earlier point with the Eibachs. I've not driven on the track with my CSLs, but my impression from driving on smooth roads is that these would improve track performance further.
 
BMWZ4MC said:
I've driven great deal on tracks in various cars, including Sevens with fully adjustable suspenson setups, and Beedub, I agree with your sentiments regarding just sticking springs on a car and expecting radical improvements. Furthermore, as others have stated, BMW will have made far greater research investments into handling and suspension than Eibach or the like can hope to echo.
I changed to Eibachs because one of my rear springs failed, and I thought it pointless to replace it with OEM when they have a proven poor track record. I didn't want to lower the car or alter the handling characteristics, but I found it impossible to obtain non-OEM springs that did not lower the car to some extent.
However, having had the opportunity to drive my ///MC on the track with OEM wheels and stock OEM suspension (pre-spring failure) and then on the same track with the same wheels and tyres, but with Eibach springs, I am confident that the turn in is sharper, body roll whilst cornering is reduced, and power can be put down at an earlier point with the Eibachs. I've not driven on the track with my CSLs, but my impression from driving on smooth roads is that these would improve track performance further.
:thumbsup: Also found the Eibachs to improve handling markedly - eliminates the "bouncy" first stage of the progressive OEM coils. Eibachs are also progressive but the transfer between stages is much less obvious and this makes handling more predictable. Stiffer bushes etc will improve handling even further but it gets costly and is a bit over the top for every day use imho.

(Coils are either 1. Linear or 2. Progressive. Progressive = stages of stiffness - OEM on the ///m is three stage. Stages are usually seen by different thicknesses on the coil - hence he well known ///m broken spring problem - breaks where stage 1 goes to stage 2 - the weakest point in the OEM coil.)
 
ZM4000 said:
Buy the KW V3 the best out there without a doubt in Germany they all buy that one.


think im going to go for the clubsports from KW, either that or moton, then again ohlins now have a z4m kit!! :driving:
 
Thanks for the replies guys.

My car won't be used on track, after tracking my old CSL I know the Z4 will be a bit of a let down in comparison. I bought the car to enjoy on the road and have a bit of comfort.

I think I'll just go with the wheels for now.

Anyone want to buy my stock Z4M wheels with almost new Michelin PS2's?
 
Why do you consider the Z4M a let-down against a CSL? They aren't that far off if you run cups on both.

You should stick your stock wheels on the for sale section there is always plenty of demand for them :)
 
playalistic said:
Why do you consider the Z4M a let-down against a CSL? They aren't that far off if you run cups on both.

You should stick your stock wheels on the for sale section there is always plenty of demand for them :)

The Z4 is by no means a let down, but I just know I won't enjoy it on track in the way I did with the CSL.

The seats, SMG and minimal body roll in the CSL make all the difference.
 
Woodcutter said:
playalistic said:
Why do you consider the Z4M a let-down against a CSL? They aren't that far off if you run cups on both.

You should stick your stock wheels on the for sale section there is always plenty of demand for them :)

The Z4 is by no means a let down, but I just know I won't enjoy it on track in the way I did with the CSL.

The seats, SMG and minimal body roll in the CSL make all the difference.


Think that's a silly attitude to be honest but each to their own. From what I've seen stock CSLs aren't amazing on track either.
 
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