Crimea
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I wonder what the world will actually do.
If the US / Euro / UK do nothing, then how can anyone put any trust in any current or future agreements of protection....
If they do anything - what will it achieve (not much I suspect)
interesting to watch for sure - leaves me wondering not for the first time exactly what use the UN really is.
If the US / Euro / UK do nothing, then how can anyone put any trust in any current or future agreements of protection....
If they do anything - what will it achieve (not much I suspect)
interesting to watch for sure - leaves me wondering not for the first time exactly what use the UN really is.
Mmmm I don't understand the western view on this
So in Kiev they take to the streets for months and against normal democratic process get rid of the president - a process that has somehow become acceptable to USA and UK after Egypt, Tunisia etc though I wonder what the view would be if this happened in Paris or Birmingham given that this rarely represents the complete view of the country
Then residents in Crimea including local government who are 80% ethnic Russian encourage Russian involvement have a hasty referendum ( is this any less democratic than a mob in a city square?) and the voters overwhelmingly vote for Russian jointery.
So there are so many double standards at play here I just don't know where the UK and USA are at - I think we have lost our sense of what democracy is - just look at Egypt - they think that democracy is going to Teran square and protesting until you get rid of whoever you don't like this week - and USA seems to think this is just fine !!!
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So in Kiev they take to the streets for months and against normal democratic process get rid of the president - a process that has somehow become acceptable to USA and UK after Egypt, Tunisia etc though I wonder what the view would be if this happened in Paris or Birmingham given that this rarely represents the complete view of the country
Then residents in Crimea including local government who are 80% ethnic Russian encourage Russian involvement have a hasty referendum ( is this any less democratic than a mob in a city square?) and the voters overwhelmingly vote for Russian jointery.
So there are so many double standards at play here I just don't know where the UK and USA are at - I think we have lost our sense of what democracy is - just look at Egypt - they think that democracy is going to Teran square and protesting until you get rid of whoever you don't like this week - and USA seems to think this is just fine !!!
Confused.com
Spikey said:
Well put.
Ukraine represents the frontier between the furthest East border of EU/Western expansion and the furthest West border of Russian influence. Hence the current crisis.
Taz said:
+1
Taz said:
Apparently it's not how they voted but how the votes were counted that was relevant.
I can't imagine that a referendum in plain language occurred, the questions were probably written by professional confusers, (we have that here too)
Also the choice between being invaded by Russian troops with loaded weapons or being invaded by Russian troops with weapons on "safe" would tend to sway the vote somewhat IMO....get shot or don't get shot , hmmm, what a conundrum?
Also the choice between being invaded by Russian troops with loaded weapons or being invaded by Russian troops with weapons on "safe" would tend to sway the vote somewhat IMO....get shot or don't get shot , hmmm, what a conundrum?
When is a referendum not a referendum? When a large proportion of the plebiscite do not vote as it is an internationally recognised illegal referendum.
What are we going to do about it? Diddly squat.
Ukraine was nuts to get rid of all its nuclear weapons, history proves time and time again, unilateral disarmement is suicide. No nuclear armed country has been invaded in history. So, if Scotland gets independence and 'bans' nuclear weapons on it's soil (FFS!), make a little room for me in Englandshire chaps 'cos I'll be on my way!
Thank god, the late Tony Benn, RIP, didn't get to a level of government where he could have really caused some serious damage to our green and pleasant.
As some clever geezah once said, 'Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it'
What are we going to do about it? Diddly squat.
Ukraine was nuts to get rid of all its nuclear weapons, history proves time and time again, unilateral disarmement is suicide. No nuclear armed country has been invaded in history. So, if Scotland gets independence and 'bans' nuclear weapons on it's soil (FFS!), make a little room for me in Englandshire chaps 'cos I'll be on my way!
Thank god, the late Tony Benn, RIP, didn't get to a level of government where he could have really caused some serious damage to our green and pleasant.
As some clever geezah once said, 'Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it'
Spikey said:
Agree totally with this, very well said
