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mmm-five

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Another reminder why the Ring is such a dangerous, scary place...even if you do nothing wrong yourself.

This is the aftermath of a McLaren fluid spill through the Fuchsrohre/Foxhole section which is very fast (even the Alfa is showing 120mph down there) and has a compression right at the bottom where you really, really should not brake...15s in for Z4 content...

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Another video from a 'late' arrival...shows that you can't see anything until 'almost' too late. It also shows that the Z4 must have had another accident (or more likely someone else hit it later) at 30s.
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BTW, there were supposedly flags waving and amber lights flashing in warning, but my eyes must be terrible (or the flags/lights useless) as I don't see anything.
 
Not good... One thing that's deterred me so far is having to fork out loads of cash if something goes wrong. The costs mount up quickly when you're blocking the ring and or have to be towed. Add on top of that replacing the fence and it's a remortgage. I need to buy a car I can just leave there if the s**t hits the fan. It'd be cheaper than transporting a smashed z back to the UK.
 
Fuuuuuuuuuu that Zed musta took a massive hit afterwards :( I really hope no one was still inside it when that happened :cry:
 
Wrote off my E46 M3 there a few years back. Fortunately at relatively low speed coming out of karrussell.
Still had to shell out for a few meters of armco, track stoppage, recovery and cleanup. Didn't have trackday insurance and it definitley stung for a few months afterwards.
That looks pretty nasty however and at one of the fastest blind bends on the whole circuit. You can certainly tell where the difference between road and track brakes come in; that zed was fishtailing all over the shop on its' standard brakes.
 
I never quite see the point of that circuit as it's Russian roulette, you may as well stay at home and drive your car into a brick wall, pointless.

Tim.
 
TitanTim said:
I never quite see the point of that circuit as it's Russian roulette, you may as well stay at home and drive your car into a brick wall, pointless.

Tim.
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you're clearly too old for it :evil:
 
Ouch that was nasty. Thought the chap in the Z got off lightly in the first video just missing the stopped car on the grass. Second video shows it's clearly not his day.
 
Interesting to see the same crash from several angles. What was that green car before hand?

One reason I have never been back to the ring. An Evo V, new at the time went charging off down the main straight out of the car park, ahead of me Didn't even make the first right hander after the kink Bits of White Evo all over the place. Happily know one hurt and know one ploughed in afterwards. I still have the ticket for my last lap somewhere, I will never drive it. :wink:
 
Oh man, I really wanted to give this a go! This has certainly put me off it.
Really gutting I'm sure
 
andysat said:
What the fastest mph you can get up to on a straight??
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Depends on the car and the circuit configuration.

My mates R33 GTR gets 184mph up the Dottinger Hohe straight- but only when it's a full lap (i.e. not BTG tourist day). He also hits 160mph before braking for Schwedenkreuz, and is over 140mph down Fuchsrohre.

It's actually no the straight line speed that impresses me...although that is quick...but how early he can get on the throttle to pull the car through a corner.

As far as mine is concerned, I'm about 20mph slower into Schwedenkreuz, and 10mph slower down Fuchsrohre.

There's nothing to be scared of really - except for fluid spills, blind corners, track day warriors, Ring rental cars (tend to be driven like they're stolen)...just drive it like you would a B-road that you've never driven before. Don't worry about being 'too slow'...there's no such thing...and eventually you will find you're going much faster whilst putting less effort in, and taking less out of the car.

I've done about 1000 laps and am still here...in fact I've had more 'incidents' in the Z4MC on public roads (3) than I've ever had on the Ring (i.e. 0)..yet I take out 1st party insurance every trip. Luckily, due to my 'no claims bonus' with my track cover provider (MORIS), it's gone down every year...so I now pay the same for a 3 day weekend as I used to for a 1 day event.

BTW, I always carry an empty credit card...just in case.
 
mmm-five said:
andysat said:
What the fastest mph you can get up to on a straight??
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Depends on the car and the circuit configuration.

My mates R33 GTR gets 184mph up the Dottinger Hohe straight- but only when it's a full lap (i.e. not BTG tourist day). He also hits 160mph before braking for Schwedenkreuz, and is over 140mph down Fuchsrohre.

It's actually no the straight line speed that impresses me...although that is quick...but how early he can get on the throttle to pull the car through a corner.

As far as mine is concerned, I'm about 20mph slower into Schwedenkreuz, and 10mph slower down Fuchsrohre.

There's nothing to be scared of really - except for fluid spills, blind corners, track day warriors, Ring rental cars (tend to be driven like they're stolen)...just drive it like you would a B-road that you've never driven before. Don't worry about being 'too slow'...there's no such thing...and eventually you will find you're going much faster whilst putting less effort in, and taking less out of the car.

I've done about 1000 laps and am still here...in fact I've had more 'incidents' in the Z4MC on public roads (3) than I've ever had on the Ring (i.e. 0)..yet I take out 1st party insurance every trip. Luckily, due to my 'no claims bonus' with my track cover provider (MORIS), it's gone down every year...so I now pay the same for a 3 day weekend as I used to for a 1 day event.

BTW, I always carry an empty credit card...just in case.
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Thanks for the write up -out of the 1000 laps you have done what's been your quickest time?
 
andysat said:
Thanks for the write up -out of the 1000 laps you have done what's been your quickest time?
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No better than 8m23s...and that was only because my mate in his R33 was acting as a pacemaker/battering ram to make a hole in the traffic for me.

My regular pace is only 9 minutes...not particularly fast, but relatively safe, and I can hit that whether there's traffic, yellows, or not. But it is more or less standard, and on 152,000 miles. Although I haven't timed a lap for about 3 years.

Laps will be a bit quicker now, as some of the track has been reprofiled and smoothed.

The Alfa is only a minute slower :P

Video below of my first (sighting) lap of the day...where you can see I'm taking it carefully on the corners where it can be slippy early on, and braking very early...
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...and another, slower, lap a few minutes later where I was asked to shadow a friend in his e34 M5 to see how he liked his new Michelin PSS, Bilstein suspension, and shorter final drive...
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