Colorado and the public sale of Cannabis

[BrianD]

Guess it down too a lack of will power then. I don't understand the need for people to seek highs, but it is a free country and each to their own to do what they want, however I hate when the NHS and benefit sytem have to help them with their addiction which is self inflicted so don't see why my hard taxes are spent on addicts.

Just my opinion of course

Do you partake in alcohol or cigarettes because clearly they would apply to that statement too

I know where you are coming from No and No Sars, just chose not to, so I'm classed as a boring 72 year old fart I suppose

Best not to put temptation in the way of those that have no will power or are under peer pressure. I suppose that drugs have an effect on how one behaves, which is why there are now more drivers driving under the influence of drugs than alcohol, just a comment

 

[Anonymous]

I believe anyone that's used it now or in the past must have had something lacking in their life

I've never even had a puff of a normal cigarette nor touched one.

In what way, if you have no experience of it how can you know if they are lacking in their life, would that statement include those that consumes alcohol too

and good for you for never smoking

IMO, drugs are a crutch for the feckless in society who lack moral fibre and as I say have something missing in their life.

I'd never go out with a casual user under any circumstances, and If I found out they used to use, it would be bye bye because they could always slip into their old ways.

Yes alcohol is another crutch.

You've a PM because I've deleted this line

I may sound like a goody-goody but I can assure you I'm not, the female form has only ever been my drug of choice.

 

[bigdog]

For as long as there have been intoxicating substances, There have been a certain type of person that have abused them (folks with addictive personalities) it will continue to be so as well.
We Americans tried the banning of alcohol in the 20's, Guess what happened? Organized crime exploded. It didn't work. Then we tried the zero tolerance, throw the drug users in jail for a decade for smoking a joint. Guess what happened? Our prison population exploded. And along with that. What do you think happened to those that were jailed for using drugs when they were released? They mostly became wards of the state (welfare) or were destined to lead a life of menial minimum wage jobs, or became criminals due to being unemployable.

You know what? We can't always protect everybody from everything. Some people are going to hurt them selves and others through not only drugs, But a multitude of other acts.
Cigarettes are the biggest killer. Of the top ten killers of people, Drug/alcohol abuse is nowhere to be found. Road injuries are number 9 and was the only non-disease cause of death to make the list. So you want to save lives, Stop driving & throw out the fags. Death from Guns? A drop in the bucket. http://who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs310/en/

Just accept the fact that life can be a bitch, And you can't save everyone from everything that might harm them.

 

[chris g]

i think anything that cleans up the supply side has to be a good thing. And we do have duty on fags and booze, so its not a huge leap. It seems people will always want to buy and use it, I wonder what happens the price when legislation/ quality control and profit replaces the wastage from failed smuggling

I like how we have reduced the popularity and availability of fags in the UK and id hate to see a change in the law making drugs usage seem more acceptable.

 

[Swiftly]

I like how we have reduced the popularity and availability of fags in the UK and id hate to see a change in the law making drugs usage seem more acceptable.

+1 and a very valid point to consider

 

[mcbeee]

Too true.

consider that in some places south of here I can buy beer cheaper than coke or pepsi.

 

[Stuart Truman]

This is the Americans getting all religious again. Gay marriage and marijuana legalised makes perfect biblical sense.

Leviticus 20:13 "A man who lays with another man should be stoned".

Their interpretation has just been brought up to date!

- from multiple sources

 

[sars]

I like how we have reduced the popularity and availability of fags in the UK and id hate to see a change in the law making drugs usage seem more acceptable.

Indeed, but what you are really stating is education, better education on the effects of cigarettes has helped in reducing the number of smokers in the developed world. But because drugs are illegal there is very little effective education on the effects, drugs are bad regardless.

However the effects of alcohol are not stated vigorously enough, I wonder why.....

 

[Swiftly]

I like how we have reduced the popularity and availability of fags in the UK and id hate to see a change in the law making drugs usage seem more acceptable.

Indeed, but what you are really stating is education, better education on the effects of cigarettes has helped in reducing the number of smokers in the developed world. But because drugs are illegal there is very little effective education on the effects, drugs are bad regardless.

However the effects of alcohol are not stated vigorously enough, I wonder why.....

And don't forget the high tax increases imposed on cigareete by consecutive governments which has had more of an impact than eduucation

 

[Taz]

I would think more trouble is caused by lager louts than cannabis smokers

 

[Swiftly]

I would think more trouble is caused by lager louts than cannabis smokers

I would think so, is this the so called night time economy?

 

[bigdog]

Too true.

consider that in some places south of here I can buy beer cheaper than coke or pepsi.

Beer at a restaurant is generally cheaper than fizzy drinks here in Germany as well. Seems here on the mainland of Europe everyone smokes like a coal burning factory. But you know what? It's their choice. It is very, Very difficult to legislate morality.

 

[chris g]

I like how we have reduced the popularity and availability of fags in the UK and id hate to see a change in the law making drugs usage seem more acceptable.

Indeed, but what you are really stating is education, better education on the effects of cigarettes has helped in reducing the number of smokers in the developed world. But because drugs are illegal there is very little effective education on the effects, drugs are bad regardless.

However the effects of alcohol are not stated vigorously enough, I wonder why.....

I think the single biggest contributor to the drop in UK smokers was to ban them from public places - not education at all. I am all in favour of the "not in plain sight" too. That all contributes to the messaging that the practice of smoking is frowned upon. Changing laws provides positive messaging and I am not sure that education wouldn't just create a kind of marketing to tell people that its ok to experiment

Beer is a different problem. The cynic in me sometimes thinks that cheap beer is the acceptable means of keeping the masses quiet and manageable. I dont see anyone trying get to grips with alcohol misuse and I don't think that education will help today's generation of alcoholics

 

[Dark Schnitzer]

I like how we have reduced the popularity and availability of fags in the UK and id hate to see a change in the law making drugs usage seem more acceptable.

Indeed, but what you are really stating is education, better education on the effects of cigarettes has helped in reducing the number of smokers in the developed world. But because drugs are illegal there is very little effective education on the effects, drugs are bad regardless.

However the effects of alcohol are not stated vigorously enough, I wonder why.....

I think the single biggest contributor to the drop in UK smokers was to ban them from public places - not education at all. I am all in favour of the "not in plain sight" too. That all contributes to the messaging that the practice of smoking is frowned upon. Changing laws provides positive messaging and I am not sure that education wouldn't just create a kind of marketing to tell people that its ok to experiment

Beer is a different problem. The cynic in me sometimes thinks that cheap beer is the acceptable means of keeping the masses quiet and manageable. I dont see anyone trying get to grips with alcohol misuse and I don't think that education will help today's generation of alcoholics

I for one was very pleased with the public ban here in the states. I had actually stopped going to live music clubs simply due to the smell and how clogged my sinuses felt the following day. In the colder seasons where you'll see folks outdoors freezing their nuts off just to get a fag on just make me laugh. You'd think they would give it more thought to quit. :?
Since I moved out to southern California,from the midwest -( read more conservative)...one thing I note out here is they are a decade ahead of the acceptance rate at which cannibis is viewed or embraced. I can smell it somewhere everyday or night. I can only hope that the common users are careful enough to choose a lesser strength strain and a safer method of ingestion because of my friends that partake in the medicinal forms, they claim these newer strains are quite inebriating.

 

[sars]

I would argue that it is a combination of the three that have contributed to the decline in smokers in the developed world, the arguments about cost and the ban on smoking in public places applies here in the UK, but is not necessarily so in other parts of the world where cost is not so prohibitive and where the public ban is not so vigorously enforced

 

[Gargybloke]

Sorry, I don't agree with it being legalised at all. In some users I have known over the years it has turned their brain to mush.

I acknowledge the arguments when comparing it to alcohol etc but another wrong does not make it right if you understand what I mean.

Its also another thing like smoking and drinking that the young and weak minded will use to show their peers that they are an "adult" if it becomes easily available. The bad effects of pot on young brains is well documented and sad.

http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/healthadvice/problemsdisorders/cannabismentalhealthkey.aspx

 

[Citation 650]

This is the Americans getting all religious again. Gay marriage and marijuana legalised makes perfect biblical sense.

Leviticus 20:13 "A man who lays with another man should be stoned".

Their interpretation has just been brought up to date!

- from multiple sources

See, you folks should never let us set sail for the "New World." :wink:

 

[Dev]

Anyone mind if I just leave this here? A little off topic but the reefer-ence (oh dear) won't be lost on those into Garage music from the turn of the millennium...

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[dr_john]

There are so many pros and cons to this. For a start, cannabis is not the evil drug that a lot of people on this thread seem to imply. I know lots of people who have carved out successful careers and generally done very well in life and at the same time enjoy a joint or two. They are not the 'feckless' individuals that some people would have us believe. Cannabis is a natural substance to be enjoyed in moderation in the same way that alcohol is. OK, smoking is inherently bad but cannabis can be consumed in other ways.

However, some people do get entrapped by cannabis in the same way that others become alcoholics. Is total prohibition of either substance the way to deal with this? Evidence of the alcohol prohibition period in the USA suggests not, this tends to drive the supply chain onto the black market which creates the obvious problems of policing it and users coming into contact with the criminal fraternity.

I strongly support the Colorado legislation.

 

[jimbo1958]

This is the Americans getting all religious again. Gay marriage and marijuana legalised makes perfect biblical sense.

Leviticus 20:13 "A man who lays with another man should be stoned".

Their interpretation has just been brought up to date!

- from multiple sources

LOL. Nice one Stuart.


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