Ched Evans
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the media is only hounding him in the same way supporters of ched evans hound the girl. apparently its 5 times she has been found and targeted resulting in another move and identity.
rehabilitation doesn't mean a direct return to a previous job it means reintegration into society and given the divisive nature of the rape case the way its playing out is no surprise to me.
rehabilitation doesn't mean a direct return to a previous job it means reintegration into society and given the divisive nature of the rape case the way its playing out is no surprise to me.
I want to know if his appeal which is currently being fast tracked turns his conviction on its head and its quashed what then? Can he then take action against the people or organisations which have stopped him from being able to do the job he has been trained for, probably most of his life?
I think when the appeal is made he will be found innocent. He doesn't claim he didn't have relations, he openly admits he did but after reading some of the history of this woman with regard to tweets and the fact she had tried to 'kiss and tell' unsuccessfully on other footballers I am suspicious of her claims. If they are true, it's awful but likewise if they are false that just as bad if not worse.
I do wonder if it had got out that she had been with two guys and was being branded certain names by others and so this story was a way to stop being called such names.
I always find it amazing that Marlon King, who's been in prison twice, at least one of those times for sexual assault and violence against woman and he was still resigned when he was released and that wasn't that long ago.
If this was a five years ago I don't think it would have caused as such a storm as it has and not because it was acceptable but because social media is playing a huge part in this.
No matter what happens now, people know who he is and what he is known for an I can't see anyone in or out of the public eye employing him. Even if his appeal finds in his favour.
I think when the appeal is made he will be found innocent. He doesn't claim he didn't have relations, he openly admits he did but after reading some of the history of this woman with regard to tweets and the fact she had tried to 'kiss and tell' unsuccessfully on other footballers I am suspicious of her claims. If they are true, it's awful but likewise if they are false that just as bad if not worse.
I do wonder if it had got out that she had been with two guys and was being branded certain names by others and so this story was a way to stop being called such names.
I always find it amazing that Marlon King, who's been in prison twice, at least one of those times for sexual assault and violence against woman and he was still resigned when he was released and that wasn't that long ago.
If this was a five years ago I don't think it would have caused as such a storm as it has and not because it was acceptable but because social media is playing a huge part in this.
No matter what happens now, people know who he is and what he is known for an I can't see anyone in or out of the public eye employing him. Even if his appeal finds in his favour.
I don't know what the fuss is all about.
If I was of rape and served a prison term, I'd never be able to work in my field.
He thinks its ok to abuse women ...... I wouldn't put any of my money into any enterprise that hired him.
That's just life .......
If I was of rape and served a prison term, I'd never be able to work in my field.
He thinks its ok to abuse women ...... I wouldn't put any of my money into any enterprise that hired him.
That's just life .......
As much as I want to say "he has served his time, etc..." or I want to say "Well the story is clearly shady..." it is NOT my place to judge his guilt - that is a court's.
As others have said, many children idolise footballers and I don't expect a 10 year-old to know the difference between rape as most of us understand it and a woman someone took to bed who changed their mind after the fact.
Footballers have enough of a reputation as it is, I could not have imagined hiring him and I do think it sends a dangerous message.
As others have pointed out, he also hasn't served his time. If a court overrule his verdict, fine, but until they do he is a guilty man and has been proven such in a court of law which (presumably) had all the facts and evidence.
As others have said, many children idolise footballers and I don't expect a 10 year-old to know the difference between rape as most of us understand it and a woman someone took to bed who changed their mind after the fact.
Footballers have enough of a reputation as it is, I could not have imagined hiring him and I do think it sends a dangerous message.
As others have pointed out, he also hasn't served his time. If a court overrule his verdict, fine, but until they do he is a guilty man and has been proven such in a court of law which (presumably) had all the facts and evidence.
So Oldham have pulled out of signing him due to death threats to their staff and families.
The people who make these threats are no better than Evans himself.
As someone said, twitter in the 21st century has become the 18th century mob. :thumbsdown:
The people who make these threats are no better than Evans himself.
As someone said, twitter in the 21st century has become the 18th century mob. :thumbsdown:
In the past few weeks we've now seen the threats against Sony, the killing of the staff at Charlie Hebdo and now this Ched Evans thing showing how easy it has become to destabilise and coerce our fragile societies into submission. The future looks grim from where I'm sitting. 
I see from the report on the BBC website that it states: "A club director told BBC sports editor Dan Roan that a staff member was informed a named relative would be raped if the deal went ahead." What kind of people make such threats when their argument is against a convicted rapist getting employment?
I see from the report on the BBC website that it states: "A club director told BBC sports editor Dan Roan that a staff member was informed a named relative would be raped if the deal went ahead." What kind of people make such threats when their argument is against a convicted rapist getting employment?
By the seaside...
I completely agree with this...Dav the wheel nut said:
If the club decided not to sign him because of objections from sponsors who don't want their companies to be associated with a convicted rapist, that's a business decision and the sponsors have every right to withdraw support but threats against members of the club staff and/or their families are completely out of order
Probably someone who has seen a loved one's life ruined by a rapist.exdos said:What kind of people make such threats when their argument is against a convicted rapist getting employment?
As far as I know making threats on an internet forum is a crime and should be investigated.
I also doubt very much that Oldham pulled out of the deal because of this - much more likely the 1 sponsor they already lost and the other one they would have definately lost and the countless others that do not think it's OK to rape a pisshead just because your mate texted you and advised he had a bird gagging for it !
https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2015/01/07/ched-evans-not-the-account-youre-being-given-by-the-mainstream-media/
There's absolutely no doubt at all that Evans would not have even been charged with rape never mind convicted 20 years ago.original guvnor said:
With the vague definition of consent in law your best bet is to get consent in writing !
Otherwise you open yourself up to becoming a convicted rapist !
In truth, we can't say if what he did amounts to rape or not, the simple facts are that he has been found guilty by a jury that heard all of the evidence that was legally admissible - not a carefully selected or slanted version that is available through various websites (both for and against his conviction).pvr said:
He was refused leave to appeal by three judges at the Court of Appeal who reviewed the evidence and said "We can see no possible basis which would justify us interfering with the verdict of the jury, which heard all the evidence and reflected on it after careful summing up by the judge." - so they didn't see anything in the evidence or the summing up that was inconsistent or flawed
He has since applied to have his case reviewed by the Criminal Cases Review Commission which may possibly decide that he can appeal the conviction but, at the current time, he is still a convicted rapist and has to live with the social stigma that such an offence brings.
Personally, I think the real travesty is that a rapist can be out of prison and back on the streets in only 30 months while the victims have to live with the repercussions for the rest of their lives.
Footballer Ched Evans has apologised "for the effects" of events in 2011 that led to his rape conviction - but continues to maintain his innocence.
He issued a statement hours after it emerged League One side Oldham Athletic would not be signing the player.
Evans, 26, was jailed in April 2012 for raping a woman at a north Wales hotel.
He said: "I wholeheartedly apologise for the effects that night in Rhyl has had on many people, not least the woman concerned."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30727380
Maybe he's finally taking on board some advice on how to move on !
He issued a statement hours after it emerged League One side Oldham Athletic would not be signing the player.
Evans, 26, was jailed in April 2012 for raping a woman at a north Wales hotel.
He said: "I wholeheartedly apologise for the effects that night in Rhyl has had on many people, not least the woman concerned."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30727380
Maybe he's finally taking on board some advice on how to move on !
I'd love to know how, beyond reasonable doubt, they managed to convict him? Seems like her word against his. How his mate was acquitted and he got 5 years as well. Especially as allegedly she can't remember anything about the night.
The whole thing is a very sorry saga for all concerned with three very tawdry characters at the centre of it all.
I doubt he'll get a fair hearing at the CCRC - too many important people already in print condemning him for it to be over-turned now. Imagine how silly Miliband, Ennis and all those others would look. It's never going to happen. I mean it's not like the Establishment ever resort to a cover up when it comes to matters of sex crime is it?
The whole thing is a very sorry saga for all concerned with three very tawdry characters at the centre of it all.
I doubt he'll get a fair hearing at the CCRC - too many important people already in print condemning him for it to be over-turned now. Imagine how silly Miliband, Ennis and all those others would look. It's never going to happen. I mean it's not like the Establishment ever resort to a cover up when it comes to matters of sex crime is it?
Pretty sure the case hinges around the text his mate send Evans.
She no doubt consented to sex with the first guy - but presumably knew nothing about Evans until after he'd shagged her.
As I said before the days of "gang banging the local bike" are gone forever - some people don't seem to realise this !
She no doubt consented to sex with the first guy - but presumably knew nothing about Evans until after he'd shagged her.
As I said before the days of "gang banging the local bike" are gone forever - some people don't seem to realise this !