Celtic E-motion Mapping

[R.E92]

Do you know if the maps are applied via the OBD port on the N20 or do they have to remove the ECU?

I'd expect it's over OBD. You can buy flashing tools capable of OBD flashing for under £100, no need to open the ECU these days.

 

[MACK]

Do you know if the maps are applied via the OBD port on the N20 or do they have to remove the ECU?

I'd expect it's over OBD. You can buy flashing tools capable of OBD flashing for under £100, no need to open the ECU these days.

thanks

 

[Jasonn]

Morning all,

This is probably going to be considered as a stupid question (I know there's no such thing as a stupid question - but anyone who's worked with the public would disagree).

I seen that people refer to "generic" maps for the Z4 and several places near me are offering identical power outputs to Quantum, but for around half the price. I did see one on Facebook marketplace for around £80 (although I'm VERY wary at that price).

A couple seem to be hovering at the £180 mark and have a lot of positive feedback.

Is there any benefit in getting a quantum (or similar remap) as opposed to getting one of the local remappers (they appear to have been around for a few years with a lot of feedback) as its not being done with a dyno?

My 2016 E89 has around 33k on the clock and no other mods (although soon to get rid of the RFTs and a full service before I consider the remap - I'm still keeping the whippy though).

The map will be identical regardless who applies it. The £80 could also be genuine, the tools required for mapping the N20 are cheap and the maps are available free all over the internet, like I've said before, Celtic are just resellers there's no black magic at work.

This has reassured me quite a bit, once she's had a full service and new tyres, I'll be giving them a bell

Thanks for your help

 

[Ben f]

Celtic removed my ECU on a stage 3 remap

 

[Anonymous]

Celtic removed my ECU on a stage 3 remap

All the ECU manufacturers try to 'seal' their boxes to stop itinerant hackers ruining their finest work!

Its a war..at one time all N20s ECUs had to be opened up on a bench to allow re-mapping..but since then many tuners have cracked how to re-program via the OBD port..

Can you imagine the car manufacturers view of some 'yoof' hacking the ABS or DSC systems.. :thumbsdown:

 

[paul4monty]

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Dear mod - people on this thread are recommending Celtic Tuning for remapping. What have I done that is out of line with that?

 

[paul4monty]

What map have you had installed?

Don't know which map but told it was similar to Elite (for mod, other tuners are available). No ingress - OBD plug and play.

 

[R.E92]

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Dear mod - people on this thread are recommending Celtic Tuning for remapping. What have I done that is out of line with that?

The problem is that your post was obviously a shill post. If you want to advertise your own services then be honest about it, don't pretend to be a "happy customer".

 

[mcbutler]

Celtic removed my ECU on a stage 3 remap

That is because despite what you may hear Celtic have in-house software people that develop maps for celtic, if you have visited the site in Cornwall you will have seen a few of the project cars parked outside.
From Celtic Website
"Celtic Tuning are specialists in the development of engine management software where we have a specialist team of graduate level software developers. All of our software development is carried out in house using our state of the art facilities which very few companies can rival, even internationally".

 

[Boltz]

Celtic did mine last September and was done by one of their mobile techs and he removed the ECU to do the map, mine is a 2013 LCI N20

 

[R.E92]

Celtic removed my ECU on a stage 3 remap

That is because despite what you may hear Celtic have in-house software people that develop maps for celtic, if you have visited the site in Cornwall you will have seen a few of the project cars parked outside.
From Celtic Website
"Celtic Tuning are specialists in the development of engine management software where we have a specialist team of graduate level software developers. All of our software development is carried out in house using our state of the art facilities which very few companies can rival, even internationally".

That's got to be a joke. There is no overlap between software development and ECU calibration. You have to be pretty naive to take website spiel as gospel!

 

[paul4monty]

The problem is that your post was obviously a shill post. If you want to advertise your own services then be honest about it, don't pretend to be a "happy customer".

Your use of language is defamatory Mod. A shill is an accomplice of a confidence trickster or swindler who poses as a genuine customer to entice or encourage others.

I have recently retired following 35 years in the NHS. Mine was not a 'shill' post - I am genuinely a happy customer of a garage I've used just once. I wouldn't know how to re program an ECU if my life depended on it, but I can change my own wiper blades. Smart arse.

I am leaving the forum after just a few days.

Thank you.

 

[mcbutler]

Celtic removed my ECU on a stage 3 remap

That is because despite what you may hear Celtic have in-house software people that develop maps for celtic, if you have visited the site in Cornwall you will have seen a few of the project cars parked outside.
From Celtic Website
"Celtic Tuning are specialists in the development of engine management software where we have a specialist team of graduate level software developers. All of our software development is carried out in house using our state of the art facilities which very few companies can rival, even internationally".

That's got to be a joke. There is no overlap between software development and ECU calibration. You have to be pretty naive to take website spiel as gospel!

Then explain all the development vehicles outside!
As a reputable dealer I am pretty sure they would not risk a complete shagging by trading standards for false claims and advertising.
Maybe you should call them and ask them what they think!!!!!

 

[R.E92]

Then explain all the development vehicles outside!
As a reputable dealer I am pretty sure they would not risk a complete shagging by trading standards for false claims and advertising.
Maybe you should call them and ask them what they think!!!!!

I think we already covered that in another thread. There's a few reasons for having such vehicles and some outfits genuinely have development cars to test technology and further their product but Celtic have nothing to test or develop. They are resellers of ECU calibrations which means they purchase ECU flashing hardware and then flash generic maps from a central database.

Put it this way. Celtic offer to remap everything from a Dacia Duster to a DAF XF105 lorry and even Massey Furguson tractors. Where do you think they keep their fleet of development tractors and which staff member is lucky enough to drive the Ssangyong Rodius they have to test the maps they offer for it?

The flashy development cars out front are mainly for the advertising value. They will also most likely have them carefully written down in their end of year accounting statement as R&D rather than company cars so I'm guessing the directors don't have to pay BIK tax to use them. I imagine it's the only industry that still allows people to buy flashy cars with company money, everyone else has to buy a twincab truck or van to get away claiming company use.

Proper tuning and performance parts companies do actually genuinely use development cars. For instance I keep tabs on Terry Burger from BMS and he has 3 or 4 different vehicles with the N54 engine in and all of them are used as a test bed for his many parts. MHD also has a fleet of relevant vehicles, Ken who develops the calibration has a 335i and a Z4 35i, Martial has a new M2 and I think Jake who does their actual software development drives a 135i.

 

[sunnydays]

Put it this way. Celtic offer to remap everything from a Dacia Duster to a DAF XF105 lorry and even Massey Furguson tractors. Where do you think they keep their fleet of development tractors and which staff member is lucky enough to drive the Ssangyong Rodius they have to test the maps they offer for it?

 

[Jasonn]

Another, possibly stupid, question....if I decided to "rollback" the remap (in case the insurer gets funny or I wanted to sell her - unlikely this car is too much fun)! Can this be done, do I need to use the same tuner/coder, is there a "generic" original map or is there a way I can back this up onto a USB stick for safe keeping?

Sorry for all the questions, I yearn for the days when tuning was done over the weekend with a flexi drive and mixed grinding stones to get a few more bhp - seems incredible to get these figures just by plugging in a computermebob

 

[Colin_E]

Another, possibly stupid, question....if I decided to "rollback" the remap (in case the insurer gets funny or I wanted to sell her - unlikely this car is too much fun)! Can this be done, do I need to use the same tuner/coder, is there a "generic" original map or is there a way I can back this up onto a USB stick for safe keeping?

I think it depends where your remap comes from and how it's installed. Celtic website says that they will rollback for a fee, if they installed in the fist place.
I used their e-Motion option (more info earlier in this thread) which retains your original map as well as mod versions on the device so you can flash back to stock yourself.

 

[Jasonn]

cheers

 

[mcbutler]

A map is erased if BMW update your software on a service (not that likely on our cars). When you map you simply overwrite the existing 'map' with version 2.0 (for example) any future update of any type then overwrites that one....