Celtic E-motion Mapping

[Colin_E]

My plan had been to get my 20i E89 mapped by Celtic this Spring but for predictable reasons it didn't happen.
Now i see they offer a sort of DIY approach called Emotion.
Anyone used it and have any opinions? Seems a little expensive (dearer than a regular Celtic remap unless their prices went up a lot lately) but if it works as well and can be reverted to stock or re-enabled at will it may be worth considering?
Thoughts?

 

[Anonymous]

Hi, it seems to be largely a public use of the version that dealers would have used..

It’s the same rated power change as the normal re-map..

For the N20 engines, where for most people, an ECU re-map is a once only event it’s expensive for what most people will see as a one off event..

Now if you had several cars and there was some deeply discounted pricing it would be a different story ..IMHO..

 

[R.E92]

It's just a re-badged Alientech Powergate. Not the best hardware out there but it will give you the same end result as a trip to Celtic and as mentioned you have the ability to remove and reapply the map should the car ever get updated at a dealer.

I used a Powergate for mapping my car before MHD came out, it should allow you to customise the map which is a nice perk.

You don't have any good options for a tune on the N20 equipped Z4 so I suppose it's the best of a bad bunch. Other cars with the N20 can use bootmod3 which is on par with MHD but that's currently only available to newer cars with the N20.

 

[MACK]

What sort of money is this? Indeed what sort of money is a normal Celtic remap? I normally use a company in Wolverhampton for remapping called Ptorque, Im just wondering how prices compare

 

[Colin_E]

Celtic quoted me £360 late last year for a stage 3 remap. I believe their pricing varies by region as I saw posts on this forum around the same time from people who were getting quoted / charged £300.
By comparison the E-motion is £425.
I agree that in all likelihood a remap (however it's done) will be a one-time event. I probably wouldn't consider the E-motion under normal circumstances but a regular remap is a bit too risky for me at the moment as I'm moderately vulnerable in COVID terms.

 

[enuff_zed]

Celtic quoted me £360 late last year for a stage 3 remap. I believe their pricing varies by region as I saw posts on this forum around the same time from people who were getting quoted / charged £300.
By comparison the E-motion is £425.
I agree that in all likelihood a remap (however it's done) will be a one-time event. I probably wouldn't consider the E-motion under normal circumstances but a regular remap is a bit too risky for me at the moment as I'm moderately vulnerable in COVID terms.

Forgive what may be a stoopid question, but is the E-motion only able to be used on one vehicle?
What stops you finding another owner who wants theirs done and thereby halving your costs?
Do they register it to your VIN or something?

 

[R.E92]

Celtic quoted me £360 late last year for a stage 3 remap. I believe their pricing varies by region as I saw posts on this forum around the same time from people who were getting quoted / charged £300.
By comparison the E-motion is £425.
I agree that in all likelihood a remap (however it's done) will be a one-time event. I probably wouldn't consider the E-motion under normal circumstances but a regular remap is a bit too risky for me at the moment as I'm moderately vulnerable in COVID terms.

Forgive what may be a stoopid question, but is the E-motion only able to be used on one vehicle?
What stops you finding another owner who wants theirs done and thereby halving your costs?
Do they register it to your VIN or something?

It will be VIN locked. The Alientech Powergate I used had VIN lock built in, you could remove the map from the car and sell it on though.

I know a way of circumventing that so you can apply the map to as many cars as you want, could be useful if you have a few friends that also want a map.

 

[MACK]

Celtic quoted me £360 late last year for a stage 3 remap. I believe their pricing varies by region as I saw posts on this forum around the same time from people who were getting quoted / charged £300.
By comparison the E-motion is £425.
I agree that in all likelihood a remap (however it's done) will be a one-time event. I probably wouldn't consider the E-motion under normal circumstances but a regular remap is a bit too risky for me at the moment as I'm moderately vulnerable in COVID terms.

Thanks

 

[mcbutler]

Celtic have an excellent rep, personally I would get it mapped by them at their facility which is top notch. If its done on a dyno you know you are getting what you pay for. Gains quoted are always approximate and differ from car to car with engine wear, fuel octanes etc....
Celtic will give you a 12 month warranty against damamge caused by the remap, once its done you test it, if your not happy you walk away with no payment...

 

[Silverstar]

Celtic will give you a 12 month warranty against damamge caused by the remap, once its done you test it, if your not happy you walk away with no payment...

It's a very limited warranty that only applies to cars under 3 years old and 60,000 miles and basically it is only to cover those cars where the manufacturer won't honour the warranty due to the remap. That means none of our E89 or E85 / E86 cars are covered. I haven't found any chip tuning company that will give a warranty on these cars.

 

[Colin_E]

For sure my original plan was to have a 'full service' remapping by Celtic either at their facility or by one of their agents locally. Newquay is a fair hike from here! No question about Celtic's reputation.

A quick question here for those who've done it - is there usually much tweaking or tinkering AFTER the map has been applied? That would certainly lend weight to the argument to getting it done the conventional way.

My rationale for considering the E-motion device is that it's still a Celtic map and they would still back it by the warranty Silverstar mentions (if my car qualified) and my Covid vulnerability mean that it would have to go on hold otherwise.
FWIW I'm still undecided!

 

[Anonymous]

The Celtic approach is a standard map for a standard car....the dyno run just has the benefit of a before and after benchmark on a consistent basis..

So if you want to pay the price premium for COVID-19 related reasons then fill your boots..

The fact that Celtic does offer even a limited warranty is one up on many others..

For the record Celtic backed off from a 295bhp version to a 280bhp version because of concerns that it MAY have been too much under certain circumstances..

 

[paul4monty]

I've just had my 18i remapped and it is truly a different car. The remap has made an unbelievable difference to the car.

I think I anticipated the power being increased at revs when the turbo is spooled up, and it is. Even more impressive for me - the improved torque. The car will pull smoothly from 1,000 rpm in top and the sensation becomes quite dramatic when the turbos kick in.

Tractability and flexibility remain completely unaffected, and driving in traffic etc is as smooth as it was before. I am well impressed.

If you're in the Midlands call

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You won't be disappointed.

 

[Smartbear]

I've just had my 18i remapped and it is truly a different car. The remap has made an unbelievable difference to the car.

I think I anticipated the power being increased at revs when the turbo is spooled up, and it is. Even more impressive for me - the improved torque. The car will pull smoothly from 1,000 rpm in top and the sensation becomes quite dramatic when the turbos kick in.

Tractability and flexibility remain completely unaffected, and driving in traffic etc is as smooth as it was before. I am well impressed.

If you're in the Midlands call

You won't be disappointed.

What map have you had installed?
Rob

 

[enuff_zed]

I've just had my 18i remapped and it is truly a different car. The remap has made an unbelievable difference to the car.

I think I anticipated the power being increased at revs when the turbo is spooled up, and it is. Even more impressive for me - the improved torque. The car will pull smoothly from 1,000 rpm in top and the sensation becomes quite dramatic when the turbos kick in.

Tractability and flexibility remain completely unaffected, and driving in traffic etc is as smooth as it was before. I am well impressed.

If you're in the Midlands call

You won't be disappointed.

What map have you had installed?
Rob

He's in the Midlands Rob, probably one with Leicester and the A14 on it

 

[Smartbear]

I've just had my 18i remapped and it is truly a different car. The remap has made an unbelievable difference to the car.

I think I anticipated the power being increased at revs when the turbo is spooled up, and it is. Even more impressive for me - the improved torque. The car will pull smoothly from 1,000 rpm in top and the sensation becomes quite dramatic when the turbos kick in.

Tractability and flexibility remain completely unaffected, and driving in traffic etc is as smooth as it was before. I am well impressed.

If you're in the Midlands call

You won't be disappointed.

What map have you had installed?
Rob

He's in the Midlands Rob, probably one with Leicester and the A14 on it

Sod that, massive delays getting it installed & then constant maintenance required forevermore
Rob

 

[Jasonn]

Morning all,

This is probably going to be considered as a stupid question (I know there's no such thing as a stupid question - but anyone who's worked with the public would disagree).

I seen that people refer to "generic" maps for the Z4 and several places near me are offering identical power outputs to Quantum, but for around half the price. I did see one on Facebook marketplace for around £80 (although I'm VERY wary at that price).

A couple seem to be hovering at the £180 mark and have a lot of positive feedback.

Is there any benefit in getting a quantum (or similar remap) as opposed to getting one of the local remappers (they appear to have been around for a few years with a lot of feedback) as its not being done with a dyno?

My 2016 E89 has around 33k on the clock and no other mods (although soon to get rid of the RFTs and a full service before I consider the remap - I'm still keeping the whippy though).

 

[R.E92]

Morning all,

This is probably going to be considered as a stupid question (I know there's no such thing as a stupid question - but anyone who's worked with the public would disagree).

I seen that people refer to "generic" maps for the Z4 and several places near me are offering identical power outputs to Quantum, but for around half the price. I did see one on Facebook marketplace for around £80 (although I'm VERY wary at that price).

A couple seem to be hovering at the £180 mark and have a lot of positive feedback.

Is there any benefit in getting a quantum (or similar remap) as opposed to getting one of the local remappers (they appear to have been around for a few years with a lot of feedback) as its not being done with a dyno?

My 2016 E89 has around 33k on the clock and no other mods (although soon to get rid of the RFTs and a full service before I consider the remap - I'm still keeping the whippy though).

The map will be identical regardless who applies it. The £80 could also be genuine, the tools required for mapping the N20 are cheap and the maps are available free all over the internet, like I've said before, Celtic are just resellers there's no black magic at work.

 

[MACK]

Morning all,

This is probably going to be considered as a stupid question (I know there's no such thing as a stupid question - but anyone who's worked with the public would disagree).

I seen that people refer to "generic" maps for the Z4 and several places near me are offering identical power outputs to Quantum, but for around half the price. I did see one on Facebook marketplace for around £80 (although I'm VERY wary at that price).

A couple seem to be hovering at the £180 mark and have a lot of positive feedback.

Is there any benefit in getting a quantum (or similar remap) as opposed to getting one of the local remappers (they appear to have been around for a few years with a lot of feedback) as its not being done with a dyno?

My 2016 E89 has around 33k on the clock and no other mods (although soon to get rid of the RFTs and a full service before I consider the remap - I'm still keeping the whippy though).

The map will be identical regardless who applies it. The £80 could also be genuine, the tools required for mapping the N20 are cheap and the maps are available free all over the internet, like I've said before, Celtic are just resellers there's no black magic at work.

Do you know if the maps are applied via the OBD port on the N20 or do they have to remove the ECU?

 

[MACK]

What map have you had installed?
Rob

He's in the Midlands Rob, probably one with Leicester and the A14 on it

Sod that, massive delays getting it installed & then constant maintenance required forevermore
Rob

A14, so his speed limiter has been dropped from 155mph to 50mph as well!