CCTV Costs?

ihadablackdog said:
Blue Iris though needs a pc (cheaper then nvr) but doesn’t that just put all the cameras on the main network then, with bandwidth concerns?
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Two of mine use my wired network because they are too far from the NVR to go directly there. It's gigabit and I don't have any issues, either. They connect to a PoE switch, then my broadband router (it's not the one my ISP provided, I upgraded it), and then on somewhere else. This is the best solution for me given other requirements and constraints that I have - I am not recommending this necessarily! Look at it this way, unless you need all the bandwidth you can eat to transfer large amounts of data between other devices on your LAN then you should have way more bandwidth left on a gigabit network than your internet connection can deliver, which is what most people actually care about.
 
Also need to spare a thought for GDPR and what you're allowed to film - a point I'm amazed how many people simply ignore.

If you stick to the letter of the law (but correct me if I'm wrong, I'm no expert) then you're only allowed to film within your own boundary (and visitors to that same boundary) to be outside of GDPR requirements.

If you're filming outside your boundary - to other properties, the street, communal areas etc etc then a) you need a sign up stating that you have CCTV and b) you need to be able to demonstrate you store the footage securely (which rules out SD card storage, for example, for all the cheap and cheeful options) and c) you need to be able to respond to GDPR requests from people i.e. providing access to footage, deleting any identifiable footage etc etc.

I'm only conscious about it at the moment, as I've recently changed our old PTZ camera for a Wyze Cam V3 (well, 4 of them :)) as they're ridiculously cheap, have a great picture at night etc etc - but again, they record to SD card (optionally) and it's very difficult to angle them, out the front at least, to be compliant with the law and capture anything useful.

Yes I'm overly paranoid :) but one of my neighbours has made it very clear he is not a fan of the camera, so I need to mindful.

Same rule applies to e.g. dashcams. How many dashcam owners do you think can claim secure storage and also have a sign on their car informing the public the're being filmed? :D
 
Fair points about bandwidth...I only do a bit of surfing, email and pornhub....ahem, I meant YouTube 😂😂 so no where near filling that bandwidth, I was thinking perhaps the cameras generated too much traffic.

I also read that higher resolution cameras aren’t always best? Would’ve thought they gave better clarity to zoom after the event etc?

Nighttime lighting is an issue...street lights turn off here overnight and not sure how good ir is? Any camera needs light of some sort, are the night colour ones really that good? I’d rather have a clear black and white image that clearly shows the face than know what colour boxers he’s wearing.

I looked at gdpr yesterday and it said if it’s just your property then not an issue. If it’s covering public space then I think a sign is enough but pointing direct at a neighbour is not and they can complain.

It suggested showing the neighbours what’s being recorded so they can be assured. My neighbour has several and asked if we mind him putting one on the side of his house cos it would cover part of our patio. No problem with that as it might benefit us at some point. If he wants to perv at my moobs then he’s a weirdo!

Lady opposite me is a child minder so I will be over cautious there to ensure I don’t film anything that could be questioned, and I will definitely make a point of showing her what the coverage is, just in case she gets a complaint from someone, but all it is is kids who are probably 5yrs and up getting out of a car each morning etc, but definitely another thing to take account of.
 
Timmyboybunter said:
Also need to spare a thought for GDPR and what you're allowed to film - a point I'm amazed how many people simply ignore.

If you stick to the letter of the law (but correct me if I'm wrong, I'm no expert) then you're only allowed to film within your own boundary (and visitors to that same boundary) to be outside of GDPR requirements.

If you're filming outside your boundary - to other properties, the street, communal areas etc etc then a) you need a sign up stating that you have CCTV and b) you need to be able to demonstrate you store the footage securely (which rules out SD card storage, for example, for all the cheap and cheeful options) and c) you need to be able to respond to GDPR requests from people i.e. providing access to footage, deleting any identifiable footage etc etc.

I'm only conscious about it at the moment, as I've recently changed our old PTZ camera for a Wyze Cam V3 (well, 4 of them :)) as they're ridiculously cheap, have a great picture at night etc etc - but again, they record to SD card (optionally) and it's very difficult to angle them, out the front at least, to be compliant with the law and capture anything useful.

Yes I'm overly paranoid :) but one of my neighbours has made it very clear he is not a fan of the camera, so I need to mindful.

Same rule applies to e.g. dashcams. How many dashcam owners do you think can claim secure storage and also have a sign on their car informing the public the're being filmed? :D
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I thought you were allowed to film in a public place and the issue was having a camera that points into someone else's private property?

Kind of like you can take pictures of someone in the street but couldn't take one through someones kitchen window?

Sounds like a right nightmare- our next door neighbours camera points towards our property and if anything I see it as an extra layer of security for us because if they disable our camera then hopefully they are caught on theirs.
 
With most CCTV software you can black out certain areas that you don't want filmed, like this:

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Here the guidance from the ICO:

https://ico.org.uk/your-data-matters/domestic-cctv-systems-guidance-for-people-using-cctv/

I agree with mgrlane above - I see CCTV as a bonus and don't really care who or what films me, as long as it's not obviously pointing right through our front room window for example. Some people see differently - in our case, our neighbour is a proper nightmare for all sorts of reasons so unfortunately we're now at the stage where *anything* we do would be questioned and challenged if deemed to be not lawful.

Blocking software is the answer definitely - not available on my cams unfortunately but I wouldn't expect it from a $20 device (I think you can stream it to 'proper' recording software however - my research has stalled)
 
Timmyboybunter said:
Here the guidance from the ICO:

https://ico.org.uk/your-data-matters/domestic-cctv-systems-guidance-for-people-using-cctv/

I agree with mgrlane above - I see CCTV as a bonus and don't really care who or what films me, as long as it's not obviously pointing right through our front room window for example. Some people see differently - in our case, our neighbour is a proper nightmare for all sorts of reasons so unfortunately we're now at the stage where *anything* we do would be questioned and challenged if deemed to be not lawful.

Blocking software is the answer definitely - not available on my cams unfortunately but I wouldn't expect it from a $20 device (I think you can stream it to 'proper' recording software however - my research has stalled)
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Just tell him it's for live viewing only and nothing is recorded... what's he gonna do?
 
Timmyboybunter said:
Here the guidance from the ICO:

https://ico.org.uk/your-data-matters/domestic-cctv-systems-guidance-for-people-using-cctv/

I agree with mgrlane above - I see CCTV as a bonus and don't really care who or what films me, as long as it's not obviously pointing right through our front room window for example. Some people see differently - in our case, our neighbour is a proper nightmare for all sorts of reasons so unfortunately we're now at the stage where *anything* we do would be questioned and challenged if deemed to be not lawful.

Blocking software is the answer definitely - not available on my cams unfortunately but I wouldn't expect it from a $20 device (I think you can stream it to 'proper' recording software however - my research has stalled)
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Christ.

I have just read through that- World has gone mad.

"Are there other things I could use to protect my home, such as better lighting?"

It's alright lads- you can protect yourself and property from vampires. I am surprised they don't mention in the article about putting a ring of salt around your boundary's.... and perhaps a silver cross by the front door.
 
mgrlane said:
Timmyboybunter said:
Here the guidance from the ICO:

https://ico.org.uk/your-data-matters/domestic-cctv-systems-guidance-for-people-using-cctv/

I agree with mgrlane above - I see CCTV as a bonus and don't really care who or what films me, as long as it's not obviously pointing right through our front room window for example. Some people see differently - in our case, our neighbour is a proper nightmare for all sorts of reasons so unfortunately we're now at the stage where *anything* we do would be questioned and challenged if deemed to be not lawful.

Blocking software is the answer definitely - not available on my cams unfortunately but I wouldn't expect it from a $20 device (I think you can stream it to 'proper' recording software however - my research has stalled)
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Christ.

I have just read through that- World has gone mad.

"Are there other things I could use to protect my home, such as better lighting?"

It's alright lads- you can protect yourself and property from vampires. I am surprised they don't mention in the article about putting a ring of salt around your boundary's.... and perhaps a silver cross by the front door.
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....and some lion dung to keep the cat-burglars out 😂😂😂 (cat-burglars, see what I did there).

I think that’s the doc I read yesterday (haven’t re read it).

I think common sense will go in your favour regarding what you record. With most things gdpr etc it’s showing you have a reason for the data (video) and don’t keep it longer than you need.

So you can justify covering your driveway and some of the public highway and keeping it for, say 3weeks, but couldn’t justify filming into your neighbours enclosed garden and keeping it for years. Gets a bit grey when your filming your garden and it’s unavoidable to catch some of his in the frame, but then that blanking out feature/software could deal with that.

When putting a sign up saying filming in progress (or whatever appropriate wording is), how prevalent does it need to be? A little sticker on the front door so that people coming to the front door know, or something visible from the street?
 
sp3ctre said:
Just tell him it's for live viewing only and nothing is recorded... what's he gonna do?
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That was my knee jerk reaction (actually my 2nd; my first reaction was to lamp him but that passed) but I literally wouldn't put anything past him - paranoid I know, but I wouldn't want to find myself explaining to the ICO, who conducted a stealth visit after a tip-off, why my 'live viewing only' device is happily recording to an SD card.

Sounds ridiculous but I'm playing it safe currently - I think I can rig a couple of them up in different spots to capture more meaningful images whilst remaining outside GDPR. I am stubborn however so I haven't ruled out making myself fully GDPR compliant and resuming filming wherever I want to pretty much.

mgrlane said:
I have just read through that- World has gone mad.
"Are there other things I could use to protect my home, such as better lighting?"
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Yes some of the suggestions are ridiculous. "Do you really NEED to capture footage?" Well, yes otherwise I wouldn't be on this stupid website reading what the rules are!
 
What's the difference to you looking out your window watching your neighbours and having a camera doing the same thing? So long as any film footage is secure and is usually filmed on loop and only stored for a short period of time I don't see any issues. There must be millions of people with dash cams and home security cameras filming other people outside their property boundary , their street, other houses etc. Video door bells a prime example.

Are you sure you're TV isn't watching you 😉

Tim.
 
Yup I get you - the answer is that cameras are covered by GDPR, you looking out your window isn't.

Thought this might be a bit of a contentious point and I'm now derailing the thread away from a 'cost' discussion so apologies to the OP - but yes, all dash cams, doorbell/RING cams, CCTV cameras which film in 'public' places (i.e. outside your boundary), basically anything similar - all fall under GDPR law.

Unenforcable given the scale - yes. Likely to get caught/prosecuted - almost certainly not (I found 1 such example which included fairly deliberate use of recording devices to snoop on conversation which DID prosecute).

Make a lot of sense - not to my mind no, but I see what powers GDPR does provide if someone is on the genuine receiving end of a completely unwarranted breach.

Not preaching here at all :thumbsup: but as I said, just something to be aware of!
 
Yeah, privacy laws can be good and useful, but from time to time they go bonkers… I dream if the days of the Internet before I had to click through blimmen banners asking for cookie consent! I swear Over 50% of my internet clicks are to get rid of annoying cookie popups!
 
Timmyboybunter said:
Thought this might be a bit of a contentious point and I'm now derailing the thread away from a 'cost' discussion so apologies to the OP
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No need to apologise....when has a thread on an Internet forum not gone off course 😂😂

It’s all still interesting stuff that will be useful to know.

I’ve booked the alarm company to come and advise but not until beginning of June unfortunately. Thinking it might be worth getting a few to come out, not only to compare prices but also to compare different opinions and advice.
 
There’s a guy up the road from me that installs aerials, or so I thought, so didn’t take much notice of his van.

Looked in the local paper and he is listed as doing CCTV installs, network installs and obviously tv cables etc.

Bit rude to go knock on his door on a bank holiday weekend so emailed instead....but put in the email I live down the road from him - hoping he’ll see that and come down 😂😂😂

He does Hikvision kit so in my email I said what I “think” I want and asked for his advice with a view to supply and fit.

Website says he works around peoples schedules so asked if he might be able to visit after 6pm one evening, hoping he might be able to come down next week...better than waiting till June.
 
I use Dahua but it is pretty much the same as Hikvision. Can’t go wrong provided you select the right location and lenses.
 
Are the cameras that record colour at night any good with no external light?

There is a street lamp right next to our drive...but the council set them to turn off overnight! Not sure of the exact hours but definitely between 0100 and 0600, might be longer.

So I’m wondering how these compare to ir? Probably only talking a distance of 3meters?

Time to check YouTube reviews.
 
Mine works really well but there is a street light. Check out the IPCamTalk forums, lots if good info on there.
 
Yeah, been reading those....one guy was showing how he had about 14 cameras, 3 or 4 specifically at his front door in different angles.
 
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