The whole point is...cat d is light damage..and if bought and repaired to a good standard, as a rough guide retains 75% of its undamaged value. But its only a bargin if the buyer intends to keep it and run it himself...other wise when he sells he must also take into the consideration a selling price of full value less 25%...and thats if he can get a buyer because the buyers of this class of car are usually quite picky and meticulas...but as i say..if its to run yourself for a few years....bargin.
Cat D Coupe...
- Thread starter Woody
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Vehicles that have to be dismantled.
* Cat A: Vehicle totally wrecked or burnt out.
* Cat B: Vehicle has heavy damage and to be broken only.
Vehicles that can be resold
* Cat C: Vehicles of this category are vehicles which the retail repair costs were over the cost of the pre accident value .They will need a VIC test carried out on them, this is done at the local DVLA testing station and would cost around £26.50
* Cat D: Vehicles of this category are vehicles which the retail repair costs were below the pre_accident value of the vehicle.
* Cat X:Vehicles of this categories have damage that has not been recorded, either a stolen recovered vehicle with minimal damage or a vehicle with minimal damage.
* Cat A: Vehicle totally wrecked or burnt out.
* Cat B: Vehicle has heavy damage and to be broken only.
Vehicles that can be resold
* Cat C: Vehicles of this category are vehicles which the retail repair costs were over the cost of the pre accident value .They will need a VIC test carried out on them, this is done at the local DVLA testing station and would cost around £26.50
* Cat D: Vehicles of this category are vehicles which the retail repair costs were below the pre_accident value of the vehicle.
* Cat X:Vehicles of this categories have damage that has not been recorded, either a stolen recovered vehicle with minimal damage or a vehicle with minimal damage.
Dean-Z4 said:
Dean - as I eluded to in my above post the problem is that while you or I or a local garage may well be able to repair that car for £3 to £4k it will have to go to a specilaist reparer with warranties, work guarantees, etc. that bill would be nearer to say £5 to £6k.
On top of that the owner will have a hire car and let's say it takes 6 weeks at £100 per day then another £4,500 has gone. Add storage of the car, recovery transport, etc. that could be £1,000 and if all this is likely to exceed 75% of the car then they cut their losses and payout quickly, recovering a few £000's on sale of scrap.
All said Cat's can make good cars to fix and keep. Lower cost of entry, reduced depreciation, etc. so long as you build int he fact it will be worth less on sale and harder to shift.
I would not touch that one. I looked at buying a 997 C2S off someone who looks suspiciously similar to that seller that was apparently stolen recovered with no damage... went to view it, would not let it out of the unit it was stored in as it was too much hassle to move the car and van blocking it in so I could only see it under artificial light. Looked very clean, but to be honest a bit too clean and one 'odd' tyre made me suspicious. Digged into it - car was a right off years earlier.
Click on their eBay feedback. Shocking - how can someone have 100% positive feedback with comments like:
"collected vehicle"
"collected car"
"agreed to cancel"
"agreed to cancel transaction"
"collected 22/10/2011"
"collected car as description"
"sorry didnt complete deal"
"will collect the vehicle"
And then when someone leaves a simple "thanks" they follow up with "Seller duped me and left his own feed back ! Beware no communication from since!"
That is just the first few pages and it goes on and on. How can someone have 100% positive feedback with those comments? The people buying are most likely being bullied into leaving feedback before they are allowed to take the goods or made to do it when they cancel. Go through the list and I bet you will find at least one listing with the same car that appears to have sold twice!
When I did my research on the car I was looking at I got a bad feeling about this and emailed some of the people who left feedback. I got some shocking replies, this being the worst:
"Hi
You are quite right to be wary of this seller. I bought an XXXXXXX from him a fortnight ago and he filled in feedback on my behalf before he'd hand over the keys. I did report this to Ebay as I felt it gave an inaccurate impression to future buyers, but they weren't interested and didn't see anything wrong with it.
I've since found out that the car has numerous problems including a twisted chassis (not exactly ready to drive and go as advertised) I contacted the seller and he told me that a solicitor had drawn up his ads to cover him and was unwilling to come to any compromise. So I'm now left with a car that has cost me all my savings and I can't drive it cos I can't afford to fix it.
I hope this helps you - if you are thinking of buying a vehicle from this seller, I would strongly advise getting an AA check on the car beforehand.
Cheers
Xxxxx"
Click on their eBay feedback. Shocking - how can someone have 100% positive feedback with comments like:
"collected vehicle"
"collected car"
"agreed to cancel"
"agreed to cancel transaction"
"collected 22/10/2011"
"collected car as description"
"sorry didnt complete deal"
"will collect the vehicle"
And then when someone leaves a simple "thanks" they follow up with "Seller duped me and left his own feed back ! Beware no communication from since!"
That is just the first few pages and it goes on and on. How can someone have 100% positive feedback with those comments? The people buying are most likely being bullied into leaving feedback before they are allowed to take the goods or made to do it when they cancel. Go through the list and I bet you will find at least one listing with the same car that appears to have sold twice!
When I did my research on the car I was looking at I got a bad feeling about this and emailed some of the people who left feedback. I got some shocking replies, this being the worst:
"Hi
You are quite right to be wary of this seller. I bought an XXXXXXX from him a fortnight ago and he filled in feedback on my behalf before he'd hand over the keys. I did report this to Ebay as I felt it gave an inaccurate impression to future buyers, but they weren't interested and didn't see anything wrong with it.
I've since found out that the car has numerous problems including a twisted chassis (not exactly ready to drive and go as advertised) I contacted the seller and he told me that a solicitor had drawn up his ads to cover him and was unwilling to come to any compromise. So I'm now left with a car that has cost me all my savings and I can't drive it cos I can't afford to fix it.
I hope this helps you - if you are thinking of buying a vehicle from this seller, I would strongly advise getting an AA check on the car beforehand.
Cheers
Xxxxx"
lacroupade
Veteran
That feedback thing is a ba5tard - the issue is that, AFAIK, the seller cannot get the funds released until feedback has been completed, which explains why they are so keen to do it.
Always worth bearing in mind when selling something expensive, especially as these days eBay and Paypal seem to default in favour of the 'poor innocent buyer' too bloody often!!.
On the flip side, anyone who buys a write-off of ANY kind without either being in the trade, or knowing EXACTLY what they are doing via a full engineers report, is asking for trouble really.
Always worth bearing in mind when selling something expensive, especially as these days eBay and Paypal seem to default in favour of the 'poor innocent buyer' too bloody often!!.
On the flip side, anyone who buys a write-off of ANY kind without either being in the trade, or knowing EXACTLY what they are doing via a full engineers report, is asking for trouble really.
lacroupade
Veteran
cj_eds said:
well sellers can't leave negative feedbacks these days (dodgy comments yes but not actual neg feedbacks), mores the pity.....but yes, AFAIK you have to be logged into the users account to do it.
I can understand the reservations of some sellers, since its all too easy for a buyer to take something and potentially damage it, even if only slightly, before deciding they don't want it, or it doesn't fit or it isn't according to description etc..and the likes of Paypal will probably bend in their favour - another good reason for NOT taking bids fom noobs with few feedbacks, or only COD
.lacroupade said:
I don't agree with this for this particular type of seller. I have bought something off eBay where the funds release was subject to positive feedback but it was from a new member who was selling a lot of stuff for not large amounts of money. No idea why but when I met him to collect I could see some logic. Personally I have been buying and selling on eBay for years with PayPal and have never had to get a positive feedback submitted in order to release funds.
My point with the feedback is based on what I discovered with a similar seller. I must make it clear that the seller I dealt with does not have the same username and I am not suggesting is the same person. I was reminded of my experience through coincidental factors:
• they operate by chance in the same Essex village/location - but it is a small world as they say.
• the type of stock they sell is the same
• they way it is presented and photographed is the same, including description and disclaimer
• the strange feedback pattern is very similar
It was these similarities in the listing that reminded me of my own experience earlier this year with a seller who's name is no longer active on eBay. If that seller has changed their name to something else or is active under another account I have no idea.
When I was researching the car I was interested in one of the triggers that got me suspicious was the feedback I read about a car, saying it was 'collected' as the ones above do but actually was in the same lock-up unit as the car I was viewing. I contacted the 'buyer' and it turns out they were pressured into leaving the feedback. I don't know why they chose to back out of the sale and I have to say the car they were going to buy did look very nice from the distance I was standing.
I also had feedback from someone saying they were bullied into leaving feedback before they could leave with the car.
I don't know why this is? It could be a belt-and-braces legal thing incase they get back, are then able to check the car more thoroughly and discover it is not how they expected. I have some sympathy with a salvage seller here as the chances are the car will have things wrong with it even if it is advertised as having no damage. That does not explain why people who have not gone through with a sale for whatever reason are forced to say something like "collected"? Why? Just re-list it like the rest of us as eBay won't charge the final price seller's fee if the sale was not completed. If the feedback is not authentic it is misleading.
I do agree with your second point about people needing to be careful with salvage. Often it is hiding things no one has discovered from the accident. You don't always find them until you start rebuilding. You also have no knowledge of the car's past in most cases and usually unable to drive them to check all is well or as anticipated. Normally when you buy salvage it looks a mess, dirty, unloved and carrying the scars of battle like being covered in mud and hedge.
The guy's advertising that Z4 don't do what I am about to say - they say they don't fix cars on their advert, but imagine if someone did some of the work before it got resold. A car is 'light damaged' the way they al seem to be, someone was driving home, not paying full attention the way we all do occasionally, car in front brakes, reactions are too slow, swerve, hit the back of the car, mount the pavement and end up on the grass, A wing, front valance, headlamp unit need replacing, bonnet can probably be repaired, tyre is burst, alloy wheel bent, wishbone snapped and some other suspension or drive bits bent. Car is covered in s**t too. None of that lot is hard to repair and if you were looking at it I suspect the only thing you would be thinking is does the car have chassis damage?
Take the same car. Get the wishbone and suspension parts from a salvage dealer and refit along with a wheel and tyre. All used parts so they don't look out of place. Valet the car. It now looks completely different and I am no longer concerned about the chassis - why would I be? There is nothing to tell me there could be any.
That stock being advertised is probably honest enough. Suspect they have a deal with someone where they are contracted to accept a certain amount of stock at a fixed percentage of pre-accident value, the best of which gets sold on eBay. Just saying you have to be careful. Take someone who knows what to look for, can assess the risk and give you an understanding of the costs and time involved.
Without levelling accusations agaist any company or individuals, let's just say the buyers and sellers of CAT cars include some of those at the opposite end of the spectrum to main agents.
I'd not be suprised to see partial fixes, more damage than declared, etc to make a quick profit.
I can imagine scenarios where buyers turn up to collect having paid and are told they car is not leaving with the car until they post ebay positive feedback. I can imagine changes of Ebay user name and variations on schill bidding taking place to inflate prices.
Investgation on this forum (a couple of years back iirc) revealed a nice blue coupe for sale with light surface damage, that was a near wreck with non ///M parts fitted to hide most of the damage and make it look cosmetic.
I'm not referring to any particular car in my comments here, but buyers of this stuff have to be mechanical experts or have someone who is, expect the worst and act accordingly. Then deals can be struck and good buys made.
Caveat Emptor
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I'd not be suprised to see partial fixes, more damage than declared, etc to make a quick profit.
I can imagine scenarios where buyers turn up to collect having paid and are told they car is not leaving with the car until they post ebay positive feedback. I can imagine changes of Ebay user name and variations on schill bidding taking place to inflate prices.
Investgation on this forum (a couple of years back iirc) revealed a nice blue coupe for sale with light surface damage, that was a near wreck with non ///M parts fitted to hide most of the damage and make it look cosmetic.
I'm not referring to any particular car in my comments here, but buyers of this stuff have to be mechanical experts or have someone who is, expect the worst and act accordingly. Then deals can be struck and good buys made.
Caveat Emptor
This i
lacroupade
Veteran
@ Petkiller.....apart from personal experience, having been asked to do feedback asap myself (when I bought my hardtop three years ago as it happens LOL), the modus operandi of Paypal (which I assume is what we're talking about) is detailed here...makes it quite clear that positive feedback is a requirement....its a US page but I don't see why Europe would be any different.
https://cms.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/?cmd=_render-content&content_ID=security/paypal_holds_faq
https://cms.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/?cmd=_render-content&content_ID=security/paypal_holds_faq
Interesting how 3 bids were made by 2 different zero feedback ebayers. Last one just before someone's autobid and at £5950, to ensure they received £6k, or no sale :thumbsdown:
Let's hope the buyer is happy and gets what they wanted.
Let's hope the buyer is happy and gets what they wanted.
lacroupade said:@ Petkiller.....apart from personal experience, having been asked to do feedback asap myself (when I bought my hardtop three years ago as it happens LOL), the modus operandi of Paypal (which I assume is what we're talking about) is detailed here...makes it quite clear that positive feedback is a requirement....its a US page but I don't see why Europe would be any different.
https://cms.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/?cmd=_render-content&content_ID=security/paypal_holds_faq
I have had one person I bought something from need me to do feedback for in order to get their funds. Other than that one time no one has ever asked. And I have never needed to get feedback to receive funds paid to me although it could be more common than I realise? What I was thinking and didn't make clear though was do people actually use PayPal for items costing thousands? The seller will have to pay a percentage of the transaction to PayPal and also the money becomes more visible to the authorities.
That seller who has the Z4 Coupe doesn't appear to accept PayPal. Terms for them are:
"PAYMENT OPTIONS ARE BANK TRANSFER, BANKERS DRAFT, CHEQUE, OR CASH, PAYMENT MUST BE MADE WITH IN THE 5 DAYS AFTER THE AUCTION FINISHED A STORAGE CHARGE WILL BE ADDED AFTER THIS TIME PERIOD"