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Can you live without Russian hydrocarbons?

Do you think there should be a total embargo on using Russian hydrocarbons

  • No, waste of time, its too late

    Votes: 3 9.4%

  • No, I don't want to pay more for my fuel and heating and downstream costs

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Beyond my pay grade, whatever

    Votes: 1 3.1%

  • Yes, but only if goverment softens the impact maybe VAT reductions etc

    Votes: 9 28.1%

  • Yes, but I need to see the plan first

    Votes: 4 12.5%

  • Yes, just do it

    Votes: 15 46.9%
  • Total voters
    32
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Most economic analysts say that the most painful and most devasting sanction for Putin would be for the west to switch off the supplies, the sooner the better.

With rising energy costs and possible unforseem second order consequences shoud the west go for this?

Would it receive popular support?

What are the alternatives?

Is it too high a price?

Will it push Putin 'over the edge'?
 
The world needs to stop relying not on fossil fuels so much (that is another topic) but on items sourced from dictatorships. It is not a reliable formula.
(And I work in oil).
 
Yes we simply have to find a way. Harder on mainland Euroupe I gather, but it has to happen. It's going to cost us all, but whatever it takes to bring down the current Russian regime has to be done, if it takes until I'm skint or pushing up daffs, it still has to be done.
 
Has to be done, what will be next for Putin, Moldova / Georgia - he really needs to be isolated and the country bankrupt before he is ousted
 
Stop using Russian gas / oil and start producing our own again.

Would be interesting to see the green brigade protesting at a fracking site and what the public reaction to them would be now. Suspect they wouldn't tolerate their protests this time.
 
So where else will we get our gas and oil from

Middle East, have we not upset half of those countries

African countries for gas maybe

America and Canada for oil, but I am sure with American fuel efficiency they well need most of it for themselves

The Falkland islands was there once a promise of oil there?

Hit and miss wind power

Nuclear power but loads of people are not too keen of it near to where they live

Back to coal with a twist clean coal CO capture

Not a simple subject or easy answers.
 
I think its clear he has to be defeated. The question is how quickly is acceptable. Putin has no moral compass, is seemingly irrational, has a stanglehold on power and has nuclear weapons. For these reasons I think the west is right to approach this very cautiously. The sanctions will bite and Europe has been given a great incentive to wean itself off Russian fossil fuels.

Of the many possible outcomes I think this might drag on for months, maybe years. A bitter and protracted war in Ukraine will devastate both armies and the civilian population but a gradual defeat for Russia may be the least worst option for Europe as it lessens the chance of Putin doing something stupid if he loses tooo much face, too suddenly and/or increases the chances of him being replaced as the population and ruling class have time to organise an effective opposition.

Huge costs for us all and I hope the west can remain united. I'd like to know what the Chinese strategy is - doesn't seem very clear at the moment and maybe they were as unprepared for this as we were? They may yet turn out to be key players
 
Vornwend said:
Huge costs for us all and I hope the west can remain united. I'd like to know what the Chinese strategy is - doesn't seem very clear at the moment and maybe they were as unprepared for this as we were? They may yet turn out to be key players
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We sort of need them for all the stuff they make for us and they need us to want it from them for that part of world trade to go around there is no doubt we can live without a lot of the tat that they make
 
We need oil/Fuel and if we stop imports of the Russian produced fuel, then I suspect we will have to consider Fracking in the UK once again?

The Greens might want to take the moral high ground but will still want warm houses like the rest of us!
 
Most of our oil and gas imports are from Norway.
I'm sitting on a Norwegain platform right now, with a direct pipeline to Teeside.

As much as anything, I would think it should encourage better insulation of our housing, new boilers, solar panels etc.
 
If Trump was still in power, Putin would’ve been dead the very second he threatened nuclear.

Trouble is, so would the rest of us!
 
ihadablackdog said:
If Trump was still in power, Putin would’ve been dead the very second he threatened nuclear.

Trouble is, so would the rest of us!
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:lol: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :thumbsup:

So true thanks for giving me something to laugh at in all of this. :wink:
 
Boycotting Russian energy is like not buying cheap sh*t from China.

We have done it for years because it was cheap and suited us, not because we agreed with their moral, or political stance.

So it takes an invasion for the West (especially us) to suddenly see the light?
 
We only get 5% of our gas from Russia so no issues stopping buying it. Most gas is from Norway (North Sea) and liquified gas from fracking in the USA.

Senseless isn't it? We stop oil and gas exploration in the North Sea but buy the stuff from Norway who get it from the North Sea, and we stop fracking here but buy liquified gas produced from fracking from America which has to be shipped across the Atlantic. How green and energy efficient is that?

We are sitting on loads of the stuff we buy from other countries but people protest in London today about the rising cost of living :headbang:
 
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