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Nice. What lenses you going to attach to it?
With these sensors they need to have really high end glass or the upgrade probably won't give the upgrade in IQ you would expect. Saying that the 24-105mm really impressed me to start with better than the 17-55mm F2.8 and has a lot more range, then bought the 24-70mm F2.8 better IQ but its much heavier and less range, use this for all commercial work tho and the 24-105mm as a walk around. Thats a good place to start, 17-40mm is a bit of a dog on FF would skip that and buy the 16-25mm F4 or the 16-35mm F2.8 if you need the extra stop but the F4 performs a little better, any of the 70-200mm will perform well, the 70-300mm F4-5.6 is a lovely lens on FF nice range too, 100mm F2.8 L Macro is a blinder on FF can be used as a portrait lens, macro and medium tele for sports really agile lens. Whats nice is that with the ISo range of the 5DMKIII you can get away with using F4 lenses like we used to use F2.8s just put the ISO up one stop, advantage more DOF disadvantage little more noise and the F2.8 is more versatile but heavier and more expensive.
The F4 trinity is a good place to start. 24-105mm, 16-35mm, 70-200mm. Or if you have enough funds the 2.8 trinity 24-70mm, 16-35mm, 70-200mm.
TBH I like the 70-300mm the IQ is amazing. Saves buying a teleconverter and you can use it native at 300mm at 5.6 without the AF slowing down, I would skip the 100-400mm unless you need the range as a new one will be coming out soon hopefully.
Also couple of other things about FF generally, the FF sensor is nearly twice the size so is much more sensitive to vibration, the mirror is also twice the size and mirror slap is something much more present, so just watch the shutter speed or you might get more blurry images than you would usually, IS helps but worth watching, focal length rule of minimum shutter speed should keep everything in check so 200mm shoot no slow than 1/200s. In terms of depth of field, F4 on FF is equivalent to F2.8 on crop so shooting F2.8 lenses and below can be a challenge to start with, F2.8 might not seem that fast but depending on your focal distance you might only get 1" of depth of field, nailing focus is harder but the AF of the 5DMKIII really helps. With its many modes I like using the zone AF there are 3 different zones so which ever feels good. You will find that 3200ISO is about equivalent to 800ISO on crop so 6400ISO is really useable which is useful!
The AF is complex and this guide which Canon doesn't provide with the camera is really helpful and a good read. Goes through all the modes and when to use them.
http://cpn.canon-europe.com/files/education/technical/eos_1d_x_explained/AF_guide_EOS-1DX_eng.pdf
Its a beast of a camera! Enjoy
With these sensors they need to have really high end glass or the upgrade probably won't give the upgrade in IQ you would expect. Saying that the 24-105mm really impressed me to start with better than the 17-55mm F2.8 and has a lot more range, then bought the 24-70mm F2.8 better IQ but its much heavier and less range, use this for all commercial work tho and the 24-105mm as a walk around. Thats a good place to start, 17-40mm is a bit of a dog on FF would skip that and buy the 16-25mm F4 or the 16-35mm F2.8 if you need the extra stop but the F4 performs a little better, any of the 70-200mm will perform well, the 70-300mm F4-5.6 is a lovely lens on FF nice range too, 100mm F2.8 L Macro is a blinder on FF can be used as a portrait lens, macro and medium tele for sports really agile lens. Whats nice is that with the ISo range of the 5DMKIII you can get away with using F4 lenses like we used to use F2.8s just put the ISO up one stop, advantage more DOF disadvantage little more noise and the F2.8 is more versatile but heavier and more expensive.
The F4 trinity is a good place to start. 24-105mm, 16-35mm, 70-200mm. Or if you have enough funds the 2.8 trinity 24-70mm, 16-35mm, 70-200mm.
TBH I like the 70-300mm the IQ is amazing. Saves buying a teleconverter and you can use it native at 300mm at 5.6 without the AF slowing down, I would skip the 100-400mm unless you need the range as a new one will be coming out soon hopefully.
Also couple of other things about FF generally, the FF sensor is nearly twice the size so is much more sensitive to vibration, the mirror is also twice the size and mirror slap is something much more present, so just watch the shutter speed or you might get more blurry images than you would usually, IS helps but worth watching, focal length rule of minimum shutter speed should keep everything in check so 200mm shoot no slow than 1/200s. In terms of depth of field, F4 on FF is equivalent to F2.8 on crop so shooting F2.8 lenses and below can be a challenge to start with, F2.8 might not seem that fast but depending on your focal distance you might only get 1" of depth of field, nailing focus is harder but the AF of the 5DMKIII really helps. With its many modes I like using the zone AF there are 3 different zones so which ever feels good. You will find that 3200ISO is about equivalent to 800ISO on crop so 6400ISO is really useable which is useful!
The AF is complex and this guide which Canon doesn't provide with the camera is really helpful and a good read. Goes through all the modes and when to use them.
http://cpn.canon-europe.com/files/education/technical/eos_1d_x_explained/AF_guide_EOS-1DX_eng.pdf
Its a beast of a camera! Enjoy
aquazi said:
If you don't mind me asking, why are you returning it? Fantastic camera for the price, has a lot of high end features that you have to spend some pretty good £ to get. Sensors an improvement and the video AF is worth having the camera for! Especially when the 7DMKII is basically the same camera with an extra 3fps, 5DMKIII/1DX focus system, better build but lacks the articulating screen.
If you sell the 15-85 and the 10-22mm you will get near what you paid for them. They are both stellar lenses but the 24-105mm is a better lens and the 16-35mm F4 also better as both have fixed apertures, weather sealed, more robust etc my 17-55mm feels like a toy in comparison although a great lens.
The upgrade to FF is expensive and for a lot of people not worth it unless your printing big.
24-105mm is £469 pretty chewp white box which means its been split from a kit.
http://www.digitalrev.com/product/canon-ef-24-105mm-f/MTAwMDEzNA_A_A
Or full boxed £509
http://www.digitalrev.com/product/canon-ef-24-105mm-f/ODY4
Tack sharp in the centre, middle ok, corners aren't great.
Its alright but I wouldn't buy it, although a good price now. Good for the weight. Much better on crop as a standard lens.
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=100&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=949&CameraComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0
Its alright but I wouldn't buy it, although a good price now. Good for the weight. Much better on crop as a standard lens.
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=100&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=949&CameraComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0
On the 20d I had the 17-85 which has the zoom issue (stiff / sticking, needs the screw tightening but the diy looked scary), then the 10-22 which I really liked but is now obsolete due to the EF-S mount. Other than that, the 70-200 F4 I have will fit the new camera.
I got it with the 24-105 lens, but will play with that and the 70-200 to find out what I am missing (probably in the wide area).
I could not fault the supplier of the kit, nor any of the reviews and it is a company based in Wallington which is only 30 minutes from me. I will get a UK VAT invoice.
I got it with the 24-105 lens, but will play with that and the 70-200 to find out what I am missing (probably in the wide area).
I could not fault the supplier of the kit, nor any of the reviews and it is a company based in Wallington which is only 30 minutes from me. I will get a UK VAT invoice.
I have a 60d currently, the 70d has a couple of nice feature on paper which i havent really noticed/ benefitted from... Not £800 worth anyway.
Played with the wifi found it a bit of a gimmick.
Didnt really use burst mode (except for when capturing stupid pictures jumping infront of monuments
)
The touchscreen is nice, but didnt find anything wrong with my buttons.
What is good it is much faster focussing... I didnt get an stm lens but i guess for video would be better and quieter (but dont really use video much)
Using the screen to focus when getting awkward angles is the only really deal breaker the new one actually works... Really well... My old one for autofucus was hit an miss.
But what I really wanted it for improved night/ dark shots... My 60d looks too grainy to use an iso of 6.4k while the the sample shots of the 70d even at 12k looked brilliant.
Maybe its just how i was using it but didnt find the night quality on my 50mm f1.8 much better, certainly wouldnt want to use the 70d on the extended 25k iso mode.
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Played with the wifi found it a bit of a gimmick.
Didnt really use burst mode (except for when capturing stupid pictures jumping infront of monuments
)The touchscreen is nice, but didnt find anything wrong with my buttons.
What is good it is much faster focussing... I didnt get an stm lens but i guess for video would be better and quieter (but dont really use video much)
Using the screen to focus when getting awkward angles is the only really deal breaker the new one actually works... Really well... My old one for autofucus was hit an miss.
But what I really wanted it for improved night/ dark shots... My 60d looks too grainy to use an iso of 6.4k while the the sample shots of the 70d even at 12k looked brilliant.
Maybe its just how i was using it but didnt find the night quality on my 50mm f1.8 much better, certainly wouldnt want to use the 70d on the extended 25k iso mode.
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In general its not bad but if you are shooting subjects that need edge to edge sharpness like landscape it just doesn't cut it! Very soft, its about equal to the F2.8 at F2.8 vs F4. Very hard to make a wide able sharp in the corners because of the bulging element. The 17-40mm is an 11 year old design and wasn't designed for the pixel density of the newer sensors.
Does look nice! Wonder what it will be like compared to the Sony rx100 III.
Does look nice! Wonder what it will be like compared to the Sony rx100 III.
tomscott said:
By the sound of it it's gonna be similar (same sensor?). Ever so slightly bigger, but not noticable. The main thing is it's going to (I think) be much nicer to use. The one thing I like about the Sony is the way you can bounce the flash, but I can live without that. DR have it for £449... tempting
Crop cameras I wouldn't push past 3200ISO TBH. Its physics unfortunately and you have to have a bigger sensor as they are more sensitive to light and can capture twice as much.
But for that extra £1000 is it worth it? Plus the £3000 for equivalent lenses. Tripods always an option.
Here are some 5DMKIII 12800 samples, I think the 12800 is unusable for commercial work tho, I have mine capped at 6400. Although these turned out well.
BMW F30 3 Series interior, iDrive screen by TomScottPhoto, on Flickr
BMW F30 3 Series interior, multifunction steering wheel by TomScottPhoto, on Flickr
BMW F30 3 Series interior, centre console climate control by TomScottPhoto, on Flickr
BMW F30 3 Series interior, light console by TomScottPhoto, on Flickr
BMW F30 3 Series interior by TomScottPhoto, on Flickr
Noise is there but pretty good!
But for that extra £1000 is it worth it? Plus the £3000 for equivalent lenses. Tripods always an option.
Here are some 5DMKIII 12800 samples, I think the 12800 is unusable for commercial work tho, I have mine capped at 6400. Although these turned out well.
BMW F30 3 Series interior, iDrive screen by TomScottPhoto, on FlickrBMW F30 3 Series interior, multifunction steering wheel by TomScottPhoto, on FlickrBMW F30 3 Series interior, centre console climate control by TomScottPhoto, on FlickrBMW F30 3 Series interior, light console by TomScottPhoto, on FlickrBMW F30 3 Series interior by TomScottPhoto, on FlickrNoise is there but pretty good!
tomscott said:
The thing for me is I want summit I can sling in a jacket pocket (jeans pocket preferably). I was looking at the S120 but with the bigger sensor the G7X could be more appealing as a camera I can take with me most places. Still have the 5DIII for proper photo excursions though. The interchangable lens cameras aren't quite portable enough for me.
Ye I know what you mean, but with the 16-50mm pancake zoom not much bigger. THe 5DMKIII IQ spoils everything I use and as good as the 1" sensors are, they don't come close.
or the A5100
has a full articulating screen too
Great option to a P&S leave it in auto and still have the availability with interchangeable lenses. Also has the high end 24mp sensor from the D5200 and D3100.
You can get some nice little lenses too like the 16mm F2.8 pancake
or the A5100
has a full articulating screen too
Great option to a P&S leave it in auto and still have the availability with interchangeable lenses. Also has the high end 24mp sensor from the D5200 and D3100.
You can get some nice little lenses too like the 16mm F2.8 pancake
pvr said:
No probs, I don't think you can get that pdf as a hard copy but I just printed it and stuck it in my bag. Im sure there are some good books, but apart from the AF everything is fairly straight forward its very similar layout to your 20D and the menus are all easy to navigate and gives info on what every option does.
I do too, interesting camera shoots 11fps! With apparently the fastest AF system in the world.
Well Ive been really struggling with my choice for traveling. I want something to suit all my situations, need something to shoot wildlife with in the Amazon so up to 300mm and to shoot everything else. My first choice is my 5DMKIII with 24-105mm L 50mm and 70-300mm L but that lot weights 3kg… not sire if I want to lug that around. Second choice is the Sony A7 with 24-70 F4 Zeiss and 70-200mm F4 that is 1.5kg and is a nice system but 200mm isn't very long and that kit is £2500!! crazy prices for F4 lenses. So then started looking at the A6000 for the extra length of the 1.5x crop, swapping out the 24-70 for the 16-70. Still expensive at £2k. Had a go with the A7 nice cam would take a bit of getting used to bit cramped as its small, the EVF is interesting but still not brilliant prefer the optical. Would rather have the 2-2.5k to spend on the traveling. But I am worried about feeling tied down and a target as the 5D isn't exactly discrete.
So those prices are insane to just save 1.5kgs, so pretty much decided to take the 5DMKIII. Then fancied taking something smaller so I don't always have to take the 5D with me. I have the 5n but like the A5100 because of its screen, as I am a single traveler and not sure who's going to be there or who I will meet so the screen would be nice to take the odd selfie and is fully featured APC camera.
Well Ive been really struggling with my choice for traveling. I want something to suit all my situations, need something to shoot wildlife with in the Amazon so up to 300mm and to shoot everything else. My first choice is my 5DMKIII with 24-105mm L 50mm and 70-300mm L but that lot weights 3kg… not sire if I want to lug that around. Second choice is the Sony A7 with 24-70 F4 Zeiss and 70-200mm F4 that is 1.5kg and is a nice system but 200mm isn't very long and that kit is £2500!! crazy prices for F4 lenses. So then started looking at the A6000 for the extra length of the 1.5x crop, swapping out the 24-70 for the 16-70. Still expensive at £2k. Had a go with the A7 nice cam would take a bit of getting used to bit cramped as its small, the EVF is interesting but still not brilliant prefer the optical. Would rather have the 2-2.5k to spend on the traveling. But I am worried about feeling tied down and a target as the 5D isn't exactly discrete.
So those prices are insane to just save 1.5kgs, so pretty much decided to take the 5DMKIII. Then fancied taking something smaller so I don't always have to take the 5D with me. I have the 5n but like the A5100 because of its screen, as I am a single traveler and not sure who's going to be there or who I will meet so the screen would be nice to take the odd selfie and is fully featured APC camera.