Brexit questions / post them here

[Angie4m]

I'd heard that, for EU citizens, there would be a period of settlement, around 5 years, before new rules would come into place. After that there would need to be reciprocation between countries - personally I believe that we will end up with something like "EU-lite" as an agreement where trade and visa restrictions will be much like they currently are.

That's what I've taken from what I've read so far. The Germans want us on side basically giving us all the trade and movement of being in the EU but without being under the thumb which is what DC tried to get as an agreement prior to this vote which the EU said no way to.

 

[jimbo1958]

Will the fit Polish girl that sit opposite me at work get sent home ?

You've got two years to marry her

If not you'll be poles apart.

 

[Taz]

Will the fit Polish girl that sit opposite me at work get sent home ?

You've got two years to marry her

If not you'll be poles apart.

could i marry her?

 

[Mr Tidy]

Will the fit Polish girl that sit opposite me at work get sent home ?

You've got two years to marry her

If not you'll be poles apart.

Yeah, and if you do marry her she'll have you by the balls - bit like the EU had the UK, until today! :ROFL2:

 

[jakblade]

Mr wilks, Your first question can be read two ways though:

- Existing non UK people who have lived here for x years.
- New visitors.

I was assuming the first one, but if it is the second one - it would depend on the trade deal including people with the other EU countries as there would not be an automatic freedom of movement.

When I came to the UK in 1988, I had a visa as well in order to work here. That stopped after about a year or so and the requirement was no longer there. I assume it will be like that again if someone comes in, they have to apply for a work visa like the old days and extend that every year (from other EU countries that is).

My interest is now if I can apply for a UK passport as well as my Dutch one, as that would be really handy to have. Would never give up my Dutch one as we have more visa free travel as well as cheaper visas, not to mention it is my Nationality. But for some things in the UK, it is a major pain - like getting your drivers license extended without a UK passport is a major p.i.t.a. as I found out.

One of my friends is Canadian and has dual nationality. He just makes sure when he leaves the UK to have his Canadian passport stamped. On returning, he reckons he can get through customs, baggage collected and be sat having coffee before wife and kids have got through the EU only customs mega queue.

 

[Flyingfifer]

Best outcome from Brexit is Scotland will be having another Indy vote, I hope this time the 55% correct their mistake.

 

[Angie4m]

Best outcome from Brexit is Scotland will be having another Indy vote, I hope this time the 55% correct their mistake.

Says who? I think the words were it is on the table and needs to be discussed.

It also needs to be voted through in the Scottish Parliment and the SNP do not have a majority government this time and then it needs Westminster to agree it. So don't run before you can walk springs to mind.

 

[Paulwirral]

So my reason for non vote was I felt I couldn't win or lose either in or out but I still have questions unanswered
So lets share knowledge available through the brains of the forum & i'l kick off with a few at the front of my mind

1) will all non UK residents have a limited time in UK before they have to leave ? Ie 6 months ?

2) will I as a UK resident only be able to spend a fixed limited time in any European country ?

3) will the planned exchange of driver details for road offences in Europe still go ahead ?

4) could this actually trigger the final demise of the whole Euro experiment ?

Point 3 , I would guess the French will insist as from next year each individual department will receive revenue off speeding fines from fixed cameras , hence there will also be more speed cameras . I read this in the French news paper a couple of weeks ago before anyone jumps on it !

 

[no fit state]

Will we see a reduction in hand car washes?

 

[Flyingfifer]

Best outcome from Brexit is Scotland will be having another Indy vote, I hope this time the 55% correct their mistake.

Says who? I think the words were it is on the table and needs to be discussed.

It also needs to be voted through in the Scottish Parliment and the SNP do not have a majority government this time and then it needs Westminster to agree it. So don't run before you can walk springs to mind.

Says me, it's my opinion that the best thing to come from brexit is Indy 2.

Pro Indy party's have a majority in the Scot Gov. British Parliament would be insane to block it.

 

[jabber]

I would think if scotland did decide to split ( of course it is for them to make that choice ) the "divorce " would be even more difficult than the uk leaving the eu. I personally think it would be a shame for everyone if the scots were to leave

 

[SpiketheBike]

Will we see a reduction in hand car washes?

There's nothing to stop any of the UK's current unemployed from taking them over. Or, indeed, starting their own!

 

[markeg]

Even if IndyRef2 (Son of Indy? Indy Strikes Again? The Empire Strikes Indy?) does gain traction, and its a massive if, there won't be a vote for at least a couple of years. Time for Mr Gibson to make Braveheart 2: Zombie Wallace.

 

[Flyingfifer]

I would think if scotland did decide to split ( of course it is for them to make that choice ) the "divorce " would be even more difficult than the uk leaving the eu. I personally think it would be a shame for everyone if the scots were to leave

Ultimately it depends on the conduct of each side for how smoothly the process would move.
I have always believed strongly that Scotland needs to leave the UK, I want to have very close relations with our neighbours/family in the rest of the UK but that relationship must be as equals not with Scotland as a subordinate.

Even if IndyRef2 (Son of Indy? Indy Strikes Again? The Empire Strikes Indy?) does gain traction, and its a massive if, there won't be a vote for at least a couple of years. Time for Mr Gibson to make Braveheart 2: Zombie Wallace.

It will gain traction, there is still a huge desire for independence.
The legislative process has already begun to ensure the vote can happen prior to the UK departure from the EU.

 

[markeg]

Even if IndyRef2 (Son of Indy? Indy Strikes Again? The Empire Strikes Indy?) does gain traction, and its a massive if, there won't be a vote for at least a couple of years. Time for Mr Gibson to make Braveheart 2: Zombie Wallace.

It will gain traction, there is still a huge desire for independence.
The legislative process has already begun to ensure the vote can happen prior to the UK departure from the EU.

I disagree on this. There's a bit of surprise at the EU vote, but none of my family or friends would vote for a UK breakup. None are interested in another divisive, poisonous campaign that divides the country. And it will be a poisonous campaign, the seeds are already being sown. Politics in the UK has become an appalling business, no longer facts and statistics being used, just fear being stoked up.

Also, if we had a referendum every time we disagreed with an electoral decision, where does it stop? We elected the Tories into power at the last election - but Scotland (as a share) didn't. - lets have an IndyRef. We decided to exit the EU, Scotland (as a share) didn't - lets have an IndyRef. What will be the next excuse to push for an IndyRef?

 

[Flyingfifer]

I disagree on this. There's a bit of surprise at the EU vote, but none of my family or friends would vote for a UK breakup. None are interested in another divisive, poisonous campaign that divides the country. And it will be a poisonous campaign, the seeds are already being sown. Politics in the UK has become an appalling business, no longer facts and statistics being used, just fear being stoked up.

Also, if we had a referendum every time we disagreed with an electoral decision, where does it stop? We elected the Tories into power at the last election - but Scotland (as a share) didn't. - lets have an IndyRef. We decided to exit the EU, Scotland (as a share) didn't - lets have an IndyRef. What will be the next excuse to push for an IndyRef?

We both have our anecdotally supported opinions in that case.

It may never stop and why should it? As someone who supports democracy, if as a nation we find something democratically unacceptable then we have every right to have our voices heard, if that means a referendum then so be it.

 

[markeg]

I'm not convinced that referendums are such a good thing. But, there again, I'm not convinced they are a bad thing (usually). This one has been run appallingly by both sides, and we've ended up with a result that the incumbent government didn't want. This has impacted the countries (and I mean all 4 countries) recovery, and triggered a whole bunch of demands for other referendums. Independence for Scotland, Unification for Ireland, Independence for London, Can we have another one 'cos I don't like the result...

When the Yes/No Referendum results came out in Scotland, the atmosphere afterwards was appalling. It took months to recover, and the Yes camp have appeared, in my opinion, to be acting like a sulking toddler, waiting for the next opportunity to cry foul and demand another referendum/toy. When will it end? When Yes get their way?

Referendums are expensive, diverting, and stop politicians from doing their day jobs. They need to be limited.

 

[pvr]

Why have an elected body if every time you don't agree - you want a referendum? That makes governing a country rather complicated.

 

[PerryGunn]

I'm not convinced that referendums are such a good thing. But, there again, I'm not convinced they are a bad thing (usually). This one has been run appallingly by both sides, and we've ended up with a result that the incumbent government didn't want. This has impacted the countries (and I mean all 4 countries) recovery, and triggered a whole bunch of demands for other referendums. Independence for Scotland, Unification for Ireland, Independence for London, Can we have another one 'cos I don't like the result...

When the Yes/No Referendum results came out in Scotland, the atmosphere afterwards was appalling. It took months to recover, and the Yes camp have appeared, in my opinion, to be acting like a sulking toddler, waiting for the next opportunity to cry foul and demand another referendum/toy. When will it end? When Yes get their way?

Referendums are expensive, diverting, and stop politicians from doing their day jobs. They need to be limited.

That's always the problem with Referenda, whatever the result, a vocal minority, will keep asking for another go at it...

I think the petition for an ex post facto change to the EU Referendum rules is laughable... if they wanted to campaign for that sort of rule it should have been done beforehand...

However, now they have enough signatures, the government can debate it, accept the change for future referenda and apply it to IndyRef2 - wonder how the SNP would feel about that?

 

[pvr]

The concept in principle of a clear majority rather than the chance of winning by 1 vote is actually a good one for such important matters.

The rules should be set in advance though.