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Too much worry about next to nothing.

Some stats I’ve read and heard:

98 to 99% cure rate.

Deaths do not break the 1% mark until people are in their 70s

In the US, over 80% of covid deaths have been in nursing homes.

If you’re under 65 and have no comorbidaties, you have little to worry about.

I agree that businesses are doing things like this to avoid any possible liability lawsuits.

Live life and relax.
 
Old-Duckman said:
Too much worry about next to nothing.

Some stats I’ve read and heard:

98 to 99% cure rate.

Deaths do not break the 1% mark until people are in their 70s

In the US, over 80% of covid deaths have been in nursing homes.

If you’re under 65 and have no comorbidaties, you have little to worry about.

I agree that businesses are doing things like this to avoid any possible liability lawsuits.

Live life and relax.
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It's the media causing people to react like absolute nutcases. If anyone bothers to venture out, you will find that the whole 'social distancing' stuff doesn't actually happen inside shops, businesses etc.

I thought these conspiracy theorists were mental earlier in the lockdown, but now I think they may actually be onto something. Not the 5G crap, but the idea of government using this as a way to take away some of our freedom.

I still can't fathom the thought process behind being able to go to shops and mingle with strangers who may or may not have been isolating and also being told to go to work, but still can't get within 2 metres of my own family. Its ridiculous and that's why I've given up with following the governments advice now.
 
I don't care what anyone says, most of the programmes I've seen on the box filming covid wards is enough to convince me to stay well away from anyone as much as I can, so that means no shops, social contact etc until a vaccine is available. I'm not going to take the risk. I'm 55 and seeing healthy males the same age with no other health issues dying is enough convincing for me. I think people are foolish if they think they will be fine if they catch the virus. Simply put, you don't know, no-one does.

Tim.
 
TitanTim said:
I don't care what anyone says, most of the programmes I've seen on the box filming covid wards is enough to convince me to stay well away from anyone as much as I can, so that means no shops, social contact etc until a vaccine is available. I'm not going to take the risk. I'm 55 and seeing healthy males the same age with no other health issues dying is enough convincing for me. I think people are foolish if they think they will be fine if they catch the virus. Simply put, you don't know, no-one does.

Tim.
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So by that standpoint when you see a car accident reported you will no longer drive just in case that could also happen to you :?
There are 65million+ people in the uk that will be unaffected by the virus itself ( unlike the ridiculous measures currently in force) .
Folks need to get things into perspective
 
This is one of those situations where if you are wrong you will only be wrong once! I am 75 and definitely erring on the side of caution until there are effective treatments and a vaccine available. I’m not ready yet to let someone else have the pleasure of driving my Z yet. :roll:
 
I‘m with Tim on this one !

With UK death rate being world class, I don’t think we have done enough. If the albeit very late restrictions had not be put in place and we all did as we pleased, the death rate would it’s said, be circa 125,000

I do admire your attitude to the risk in some respects mr w , but sincerely hope you never have to say “if only” or know that you might have Infected someone.
 
mr wilks said:
TitanTim said:
I don't care what anyone says, most of the programmes I've seen on the box filming covid wards is enough to convince me to stay well away from anyone as much as I can, so that means no shops, social contact etc until a vaccine is available. I'm not going to take the risk. I'm 55 and seeing healthy males the same age with no other health issues dying is enough convincing for me. I think people are foolish if they think they will be fine if they catch the virus. Simply put, you don't know, no-one does.

Tim.
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So by that standpoint when you see a car accident reported you will no longer drive just in case that could also happen to you :?
There are 65million+ people in the uk that will be unaffected by the virus itself ( unlike the ridiculous measures currently in force) .
Folks need to get things into perspective
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Personally the lockdown needs to carry on, the R number for infection rates is still periously high and now things have been eased who's going to social distance now, especially with the Cummings farce. I won't be surprised to see infection rates rocket again in a few weeks to months, if it doesn't then great, ease lockdown, but its still too early for the populas to be let loose.

Yes anything could happen to me but it's balancing risks and being anywhere where there are crowds of people who I doubt will give a flying fig on self isolation, social distancing etc, I'm not prepared to take that risk.

Tim.
 
The crowds are there because the restrictions have reduced the R to 0.9 (or so they say)thus giving folk the notion that its all gone away. The lockdown should have been more strict - I know of several who have ignored it.


Vaccine or at least an effective treatment before I’ll relax.
 
TitanTim said:
mr wilks said:
TitanTim said:
I don't care what anyone says, most of the programmes I've seen on the box filming covid wards is enough to convince me to stay well away from anyone as much as I can, so that means no shops, social contact etc until a vaccine is available. I'm not going to take the risk. I'm 55 and seeing healthy males the same age with no other health issues dying is enough convincing for me. I think people are foolish if they think they will be fine if they catch the virus. Simply put, you don't know, no-one does.

Tim.
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So by that standpoint when you see a car accident reported you will no longer drive just in case that could also happen to you :?
There are 65million+ people in the uk that will be unaffected by the virus itself ( unlike the ridiculous measures currently in force) .
Folks need to get things into perspective
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Personally the lockdown needs to carry on, the R number for infection rates is still periously high and now things have been eased who's going to social distance now, especially with the Cummings farce. I won't be surprised to see infection rates rocket again in a few weeks to months, if it doesn't then great, ease lockdown, but its still too early for the populas to be let loose.

Yes anything could happen to me but it's balancing risks and being anywhere where there are crowds of people who I doubt will give a flying fig on self isolation, social distancing etc, I'm not prepared to take that risk.

Tim.
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Stay home - plug in the Ricky - crank the vox

Makes more sense than stay alert anyway
 
We have a local Pittsburgh radio talk show host, Wendy Bell, who lays out the statistics on a near daily basis. I fully understand those who want to be super cautious and that is surely your right and prerogative but as Wendy says," why should the entire population and economy be shut down for such a small percentage of fatal cases. Protect those who are the most vulnerable and let the rest of us live our lives as close to normal as possible."

She speaks common sense IMO. if anyone would care to listen to her she can be found at KDKA 1020 , a Pittsburgh, PA radio station on radio.com.

Of course I get info on this and other things from many sources but I am quite a fan of Wendy.

She has also said that this is the first time in US history that well people are being quarantined, in the past it has only been the sick.

Another stat. in the US 54% of all covid cases are within a 100 mile radius of New York City (the epicenter of covid in the US).

It's just wrong and for sure an overstepping of government on our rights and liberties.

Personally I do not fear contracting covid. I'll be 65 in several days and take medication for blood pressure. I'd go eat in a crowded restaurant today if they were open. I'd shop without a stupid mask on if they'd let me in w/o an argument. And I'd get a haircut today (haven't been able to since our governor deemed such establishments as "Verboten"). I cut my own hair a couple of weeks ago but, oh well, it is better than it was.

This whole thing, though the virus is real, has been an experiment by our local and federal governments to see just how far they can push us...IMO. And I know it is a touchy subject with many in Europe but again, IMO, Exercising power and control, stepping on rights and freedoms are one of the main reasons many politicians want to basically disarm law abiding American citizens.

I'll close with a quote from Thomas Jefferson:
"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
 
ronk said:
mackharry said:
Stay home - plug in the Ricky - crank the vox

Makes more sense than stay alert anyway
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Does my Banjo count?
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Just for you ronk

Stay home - play banjo - drink moonshine

I love a bit of bluegrass, got a 5 string myself, the wife hates it
 
ronk said:
104,000 covid deaths in USA ?
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Out of a population of 330 + million, when at first some predicted 1 to 2 million.
Many believe that deaths attributed to covid are inaccurate and inflated. My niece works for Cigna, a very large health insurance company. She told me that when a hospital logs a death to covid on the death certificate that the hospital gets money from the federal government for that. I have heard that from others as well. So why would a hospital not do so ?

Have also read that, miraculously, death from cancer and heart disease have amazingly declined during this “pandemic “. Sadly suicide, spousal and child abuse have risen. Supposedly due to sheltering in place, lack of normal social interactions etc. Of course unemployment has skyrocketed and one can well imagine the stress that puts on a family.

Like I said, if you want to shelter in place for the rest of your natural life, have at it. I for one will not hide or drastically change my lifestyle due to fear of getting sick. But, to each his own...I just don’t want my life ruined due to fear and power grabbing of others.
 
mackharry said:
ronk said:
mackharry said:
Stay home - plug in the Ricky - crank the vox

Makes more sense than stay alert anyway
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Does my Banjo count?
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Just for you ronk

Stay home - play banjo - drink moonshine

I love a bit of bluegrass, got a 5 string myself, the wife hates it
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Definition of a gentleman - a man knows how to play the banjo but doesn't.
 
This is worth a look at to see how well we are doing - the U.K. is well up the leader board unfortunately :thumbsdown:
Just another reason to keep my head behind the sandbags and accept a reduction of my liberties for a while.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/
 
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