Black Z4MC with slight swirls

Thanks Scott, I'm definitely going to aim to give it a machine polish. I may buy a machine and a panel from the scrap yard to practice on. Perhaps when I get to that point I'll trouble you for some advice on what to buy again. You expert knowledge is much appreciated.

Lee
 
That looks amazing! Good work Lee :thumbsup:
Love the blue highlights on the bumper where the contours just catch the sky
 
Lee_Zee, dont know if these would be any good to get you started, I got these earlier this year to try them before I bought the bigger sizes, you can have them. To be honest I tried a few and these were the only polishes that made any difference to my paint work, as my paintwork was hard. You could use the polishes on you practice panels and the wax would be fine for your car, there is enough polish for most of your car and the wax would probably do your car a couple of times, if you want them PM me and I'll send them to you
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playalistic said:
Looks wicked. What was the process you used? i.e. jet wash -> shampoo -> clay -> blah blah...

Sorry I hadn't looked in here in a while.

My process went something like this.

Foam and rinse with power washer 3 times (incuding under the bonnet. Before the last two I scrubbed my wheels with wonder wheels.

Dried the car with a micro fibre towel and Monza detailing spray, including inside of the doors etc.

Used Maguiers Gold tar and bug remover on the front bumper and around the wheel arches.

Clayed the whole car using Maguiers medium grade clay and Monza detail spray.

Applied Poor Boys Black Hole to the entire car with a micro fibre foam pad and then buffed off with a micro fibre cloth.

Applied Poor Boys EP sealant (i think its called) left for half an hour then buffed off.

Applied Poor Boys Natty's past wax and buffed with a micro fibre cloth.

I then did the tyres with Maguires long lasting tyre gell.

I also treated the leather with Poor Boys World of Leather and did the interior used my rather large selection of perverted detail brushes.
 
eleflo - thanks very much for the offer but I'm well on my way now. Next step will be a machine polish when I get around to it. I've got too much going on at the moment on my time off, like festivals and general beer drinking. :D
 
Be careful using Wonder Wheels - iirc it's full of acid and can actually damage your wheels if used in the long term. Something like this - http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/wheels-and-tyres/valet-pro-bilberry-wheel-cleaner-1-litre-/prod_499.html would be safer.
 
Billberry is a good cleaner if your wheels are in good shape, another alternative is autobrite very cherry but you will find that to be a stickier product and if left for more than a few seconds it will become tacky on your wheels, I stear clear of it for that purpose alone tbh.

What you have to consider also is that some manufacturers worry that Ammonium bifluoride is being marketed as a safe alternative to highly-corrosive Hydrofluoric acid, even though the two chemicals pose nearly identical health risks.

It is always a wise deceison that when using any form of wheel cleaner you must rinse the wheel and brake areas thoroughly.

Both acids and alkali's still hold as much damging properties as the next even more so depending on what forms of acid is in the cleaner or form the other side of things the level of caustics there are and I have it on good authority that though billberry is a "safe" wheel cleaner it is still high in caustic's as to is very cherry.

So long as the wheels have no form of corosion then wonder wheels is fine so long as the wheels are off the car.
cleanse and seal them then I would stick to using shampoo or at most a form of all purpose cleaner like meguiars apc.
 
I'm aware of Wonder Wheels being highly caustic and wouldn't use it often. This was a first time clean where the wheels were particularly bad, in fact Wonder Wheels didn't remove nearly all I'd of liked. I really need to get the wheels off but haven't had the chance. New wheels treated may be the best option.
 
Wonder wheels is an acidic lee-zee, alkali's are caustic in some cases.

Acids seem to give majority of forum users a heart attack from the meare thought of using them, beats me why as all products serve there purpose in the right time and place.
I still carry acids as there are plenty of cars that have such badly buggared wheels no form of light cleaning would clean them correctly.

The key to usage is a real thorough rinse afterwards ensuring that all the product has been removed then no harm is caused.
 
Dam your endless depth of knowlege Scott ;-) I knew it was harsh one way or the other but at the same time I knew the wheels needed something real strong.

Not sure if this fits perfectly in here but here goes.

So I'm thinking of ordering the kit with the DA, pads and polishes that you recomended in another thread. Although of coarse I understand that preperation is everything what should be my technique should i start with a paricular combination of pads and polisha and then work up or down? Also would you recomend that i still fit the poorboys products I have in somewhere, I'd imagine Blackhole will always have a place but do you think I should still use EX and Natty's. The way I understand it is that the products that come with the kit and cutting polishes and I should then, glaze with black hole and seal and wax as before but of coarse now with the machine.

Lee
 
This is the kit I'm refering to.

http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/polishing-machines/das-6-pro-dual-action-polisher/das-6-pro-sonus-and-menzerna-kit/prod_677.html
 
Ive been doing this for 16 years, my brain is in constant overdrive with shiny cars plus I like helping folks out that are willing to take it on board and apply the knowledge to there own cars.

That kit is spot on kit lee_zee.

After the polishing you can apply the blackhole by machine on a finishing pad and just work it, work it and work it some more, this will richen the paint real nicely.
Seal and wax as per by hand mate, leave the machine as there is no benefit to applying/removing by machine plus you get to feel the benefits of your hard labour after polishing :D
Nothing quite like a smooth paint job to wipe down and finish :thumbsup:

I will appologise for the length of this reply but hopefull it will become a little helpfull to those whom are debating on getting a DA/rotaray machine.


Bit of babble I wrote a while back with a few tweeks for DA/rotary usage.

Best correction is by rotary by far.
DA can achieve great results, far better than by hand and isnt as daunting as using a rotary polisher.

An excellent DA is the dodo buff daddy/DAS6 polisher.
Ideally I recomend meguiars pads as they have a perfect fit.
I use lake country 6.5" ccs pads at the mo but im going to transfer over to meguiars.

Polishes, I swear by menzerna final finish PO 85 RE 5 which is a great all rounder.
Another uber great finishing/glazing/swirl remover is dodo LP.
dodo LP has micro abbrasives that break down as you work with them so very lite cutting and refining in one.
Menzerna intensive polish which is a medium grade polish for lite/severe marring and menzerna power gloss which is heavy cutting for quite severe work.

You will need a polishing pad and finishing pad( I recomend 2 of each ), if its more severe then a light cutting pad will be needed.
The idea is to start with the least aggressive combo of polish and pad on a 1ft sqaure section and see what result you get.
If not the desired finish then step up to a more heavier polish with the same pad and so on until you find the best result.
Majority of the time you will find a medium polish with a polishing pad will give you the result your after but obviously you can go further if need be.
In worse cases you will use a more aggresive polish with a cutting pad which will remove a few microns of the clear coat and will look like there are more swirls than before but what you will do then is using a softer pad and less aggressive polish, refine the finish you are working on...............so in a nutshell you will be marring the paint more before correcting the swirling but it works.
As said if you start with a finishing pad and menzerna fianl finish firstly.
Just try different combo's.
Its all about slow and steady and finding that right combo.

When you start machine polishing its imperitive that you keep the pad face flat to the surface of the panel as you can burn through or get uneven marring ( buffer trails )put into the paint.

So you will have fitted your pad to the backing plate if you want give the pad a quick/lite spray with water or quick detailer ( just enough to feel moist, spray about 6" away )
Add to drops of polish to the pad adjacent to each other ( size of your little finger nail will do ).
Work the polish over the area before switching on.
Now at speed 1-2 ( 600-700 ) if DA ( speed 2 )work the polish slowly across the panel ( moving across 1" per 2 seconds roughly ) side to side twice at this speed so you break the polish down ready to work it.
At speed 2-3 (1100-1300 ) if DA ( 4-5 )continue with the 1" per 2 seconds as this will work the polish evenly so you getting all the surface, you can apply about 10lbs of pressure so you get the best of the pad and product ( look at the hotrod thread and the how the pad looks on my polisher, this will give you a rough idea of what pressure to use ).
Side to side around 3-4 times then come back down to speed 2 for 2 pass ( side to side ) to finish the last of the polish, burnish the finish to a high gloss finish at speed 1, no pressure let the machine flow easily across the paint for a few random passes.
With a soft microfibre cloth remove any residue and check your work.
If you feel it needs a stronger cut then step up with the polish.
Again if needs be step up to the next pad and so on.

If youve gone to the point of using a lite cutting pad you do the same process then come down to a polishing pad then a finshing pad reducing the strength of polishes as you go.

Think of it as youve sandied your car with 800 paper then you want to get rid of the nasty sanding marks so you go over it again with 1000, 1200, 1500 untill its smooth and what you want.

Majority of first timers like to play it safe and break there polishing cherry with a DA polisher such as the buff daddy/das6 or megs g220 but in all honesty, you will improve your finish but it wont de-swirl or correct like a rotary at all.
I strongly recomend the wright up by Davekg as he is very good at method and breakdown of method.

This is just a rough guide, I would strongly recomend getting a couple of panels from a scrapyard to practice on as john said tbh.

Knowing me ive missed something or someone is going to criticise what ive put but as said this is just a quick, rough guide but hope this helps.

Final finish - finishing polish/glaze
Super finish - refining and finishing polish
Power finish - medium grade polish
Power gloss - aggressive polish


Always start with the least aggressive combination of pads and polish then step up wit the polish then step up with the pad and so on until you find a combo that suits you.

Its all trial and error but remember slow and steady is the key to perfection.

This is a quickie guide which should help out. :lol:
 
Just to give you some idea of what may be needed. I have the DAS6 (not the more powerful pro) and used Menzerna PO203S Power Finish on a Menzerna Polishing pad. I followed this with P0106FA Final Finish and thought all was great. Then when I looked at it in the sun many of the swirls were still there. I spent quite a while going over this so would conclude the standard DAS6 just isn't powerful enough to deal with this hard German paint - the machine bogs down at lower speeds which the Pro version doesn't.

I've just bought a Silverline rotary as they're currently £30 on Amazon so will be giving this a try as soon as I've bought a scrap panel and re-read Dave KG's tutorial.
 
Machine polish done. It went well, I'd say I've managed to get out 90% of light scratches meaning there is no visible swirling. There are still some deeper marks I'd like to remove but I thinks these would require some wet n dry or a rotary perhaps. I had to use the most aggressive combination of pad and polish and i still feel like it could have cut better. The machine is a beast by the way, plenty of power, please remember and wear gloves while using it or it will hurt your hands with the vibration.

I'm off to Rockness for the weekend now so it going to get covered in bugs on the drive to Inverness. The drive should be fun though :D

Lee
 
Looks amazing man. Decided to keep mine, so i'm sure i'll see you floating about soon! I said to Daz we need to get some pics soon.

Which BP platform. I work within Contracts for ARAMARK...(We do the food!) ha!

AR
 
Hey Ali, I work on the unity. We fly from the beach, we have one Aramak guy, he puts on the soup and microwaves the aeroplane meals while talking masses of sh@te.

Glad your keeping the car, we should do a shoot for sure. I'll be needing to get those cls wheel soon anyway as my tyres are starting to get close to the indicators. We should do a shoot with sheep all around the cars.
 
Ha! Aye, very fitting!

That'll be Mark then! Does talk bollocks!

Will get a post up for a wee meet and greet soon! nights are long now, so can easy be after work if you're about, whats your schedule?
 
HaHa you know him well then, him and Jimmy.

I'm 2n3 back a week today (Wed) but I'm home every night anyway. A weekend would be better though I guess.

My old boy has got me machine polishing his 911 4s tomorrow, shouldn't be any different I guess lol.

Lee
 
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