Black Z4 M Coupe for sale

[LukyBowler]

I didn't answer the question as I'd already taken a deposit and happened to not look at this thread for a few days, I'd have been more than happy to tell everyone it had 8 previous owners.

And you haven't actually answered my question? You've essentially just answered with 'It's better because it is...'.

 

[Z4M-2006]

I didn't answer the question as I'd already taken a deposit and happened to not look at this thread for a few days, I'd have been more than happy to tell everyone it had 8 previous owners.

And you haven't actually answered my question? You've essentially just answered with 'It's better because it is...'.

Looking at it from your opinion,it could have had 7 bad previous owners who have thrashed it and flogged it quickly before it fell to bits..

How long have you had it ?

 

[Little Bob]

I didn't answer the question as I'd already taken a deposit and happened to not look at this thread for a few days, I'd have been more than happy to tell everyone it had 8 previous owners.

And you haven't actually answered my question? You've essentially just answered with 'It's better because it is...'.

Looking at it from your opinion,it could have had 7 bad previous owners who have thrashed it and flogged it quickly before it fell to bits..

How long have you had it ?

You know the car has sold right?

What's with the Spanish Inquisition?

The car may well have had 7 loving, careful owners, but why persist in hassling the poor guy for just selling his car. For sale threads are often a nightmare with these sorts of comments...

Clearly you are either not in a position to buy this car, or are not interested in purchasing this car for whatever reason, that's fine. It's the critical comments from someone who's never got the slightest intention of purchase that is so unhelpful.

Or perhaps you did want to buy but were too late? Maybe that's it.

 

[LukyBowler]

Looking at it from your opinion,it could have had 7 bad previous owners who have thrashed it and flogged it quickly before it fell to bits..

How long have you had it ?
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You do realise you've just proven my exact point right, don't you? The whole point being that you will most likely never know how the car was looked after by its owners, whether there was one of them or 8. My mum's Audi Q5 is a one-owner car and guess what? I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole as she flies over speed bumps, rags it from cold and generally has no mechanical sympathy. Owner count means diddly squat in terms of how the car has been cared for.

 

[mr wilks]

You do realise you've just proven my exact point right, don't you? The whole point being that you will most likely never know how the car was looked after by its owners, whether there was one of them or 8. My mum's Audi Q5 is a one-owner car and guess what? I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole as she flies over speed bumps, rags it from cold and generally has no mechanical sympathy. Owner count means diddly squat in terms of how the car has been cared for.

Totally agree with the sentiment Luky but you're just firing bullets into your own boat with the above
Law of averages must equate that the more owners the more % of potentially bad ones therefore lower owner cars will always be more sought after especially with a car like S54 ZM :?

 

[jamie_z4]

You do realise you've just proven my exact point right, don't you? The whole point being that you will most likely never know how the car was looked after by its owners, whether there was one of them or 8. My mum's Audi Q5 is a one-owner car and guess what? I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole as she flies over speed bumps, rags it from cold and generally has no mechanical sympathy. Owner count means diddly squat in terms of how the car has been cared for.

Totally agree with the sentiment Luky but you're just firing bullets into your own boat with the above
Law of averages must equate that the more owners the more % of potentially bad ones therefore lower owner cars will always be more sought after especially with a car like S54 ZM :?

Also, not wanting to look like im siding with anyone here Luky, but if you trade your car into WBAC, based on a 10k start price with 1 owner, their offer goes down £250 for every additional owner, so that speaks volumes does it not :?

 

[Marlon]

This is an interesting debate - my gut tells me the lower the number of owners the better, but a change of owner often means a check on service history and a fresh injection of TLC.
I may have to set up a Poll and see what the consensus is

 

[Z4M-2006]

I'm out

You can't educate stupid

 

[mr wilks]

This is an interesting debate - my gut tells me the lower the number of owners the better, but a change of owner often means a check on service history and a fresh injection of TLC.
I may have to set up a Poll and see what the consensus is

My ZM has 7 previous owners you have to buy a used car on current condition & history , you simply cannot account for every previous mile its covered but lower number of owners will always be coveted , its just how it is :wink:

 

[Buckz]

This is an interesting debate - my gut tells me the lower the number of owners the better, but a change of owner often means a check on service history and a fresh injection of TLC.
I may have to set up a Poll and see what the consensus is

My ZM has 7 previous owners you have to buy a used car on current condition & history , you simply cannot account for every previous mile its covered but lower number of owners will always be coveted , its just how it is :wink:

indeed.. you buy a used car on condition not the number of previous owners. Especially with cars like z4's which often are a weekend toy or summer only car. They change hands often. My coupe has had 5 previous owners.

 

[mmm-five]

I don't think I've ever looked at number or previous owners when I've bought a car.

I'm not saying that if I was offered identical cars, in the same condition, for the same price, and then told the number of owners, that I would automatically take the higher one, but I've simply never been in that situation where I've had to choose on thaf single criteria.

 

[LukyBowler]

Well I'm glad that I'm not the only one who doesn't focus on owners. I completely understand and agree that # of owners does indeed have an effect on retail value in the same way that full BMW service history is - from a sales perspective - better than a load of stamps from Indie garages, even though we all know that most Indies/specialists probably do a better and more thorough job.

My point, however, is that it shouldn't. I'm also not sure I agree with the rationale that a high number of owners = higher chance of one of those being a bad owner. I don't think it works like that. As previously stated you could have one owners who beats on their car its whole life vs a bunch of petrolhead owners who have knowledge of how to treat a car properly, before then selling it on to the next person.

Anyways, I sold the car to a young guy (21 I think he said) who currently has a 3.0si and clearly knew his stuff. I'm sure, like me, he will look after the car until he sells it on to the *huge gaaasp* 10th owner.

 

[Muckinonthesofa]

When I started looking for my Z4MC, I was concerned with previous owners. However, it soon became apparent that most had 4,5,6+ owners and was normal. My reason for originally being concerned was not the worry of multiple owners increasing the chances of bad owners but that the car may of been a dog and passed on because of inherent issues. I now believe it's more of a sports car thing, a get it out of your system and sell on car that most high end performance cars go through. I do think z4m's regularly changing hands will slow now they've started to appreciate.

You can never be sure about how an owner has treated the car, whether there's 1 or 10 on the log book. Loads of BS is written in adverts, e.g "1 careful lady owner, fsh". This only proves it was registered to a female person from new and serviced. It could of been driven by a clueless idiot son, daughter, husband or the registered owner and ragged to an inch of its life constantly. It could if been pampered, warmed up before very drive, cooled afterwards etc. Same goes for 4,5,6 owners, maybe, maybe not.?

If two cars were equal condition and history and one had 1 owner and the other had 9, I'd go for the one owner. But would take the multiple owner in better condition with better history every time.

 

[Pastry]

Law of averages must equate that the more owners the more % of potentially bad ones therefore lower owner cars will always be more sought after especially with a car like S54 ZM :?

Totally agree... yet some people will always argue black is white

 

[Angelus666]

I think the number of owners is probably the least important element in making a buying decision. Would one owner be preferable, absolutely...but with a 10-year-old sports car that's going to be quite rare really, and you'd pay a premium for it. The fact the owner is a member on a forum suggests that they would care properly for the car so that would be more important to me.

 

[slick]

Two examples of cars I've owned previously owned by ladies.........an MX5 that had only had its bonnet openned during a service at a dealers , the poor engine was beyond filthy ...........another was a 3.2 Boxster S ......When I took it to a Porsche indie for a health check the tech interrogated the ECU.........one of the things we learned was the engine had bounced off the rev limiter .........60,000 times :? and the ECU can only log this event 60,000 times and had stopped counting ....... 3 years before I bought it from her i........the car looked and drove like a new one though

 

[stevo///m3]

With respect to the "how many owners" Q, I agree with the last few posts. These cars are rare, you could wait 2+ years for a 1 owner model and that doesn't guarantee it's any good, plus the premium the owner will undoubtedly attach to that. I have a minimum of 2 "false" owners on mine; 1 guy transferred from his business name to his personal ownership (probably a tax ruse) for instance...
Stevo

 

[rob1958]

Life is all about compromises and we are talking about 10 year old cars. No doubt we would all like a one owner, low mileage, Fully stamped BMW history, in immaculate condition, your perfect colour, your perfect interior colour, your perfect spec, and at a fantastic price.
Clearly something has to give, and we mostly prioritise these factors differently.
For me its
1/Condition
2/Mileage
3/Price
4/Service History
Then there's colour, spec, interior, number of owners and so on. I don't actually know how I prioritise all the factors. All I can say is that you know when its the car for you based on a mixture of all the above factors. Low ownership is fairly low down my priorities though.