Auto or manual

I never really found the gear change of my E85 very good - it thought it was quite heavy - The service manager from another dealership took it out and said that it was normal !
 
The S tronic box in my A3 is mightily impresive and I am glad I went for it to cover 35k miles a year in.

However if I could have a 2nd car for weekends, I wouldn't look twice at even a DCT. I have come to appreciate the circumstances under which each gearbox is the best choice (for me).
 
I drove a manual new bmw yesterday for the first time in a while. I genuinely cannot see why anyone bothers with a manual these days. Just pointless 'ohh i'm a driver' talk. Who cares? I'm afraid i wont be buying one.
 
I don't really get this DCT vs auto issue.

I love my 8 speed auto, smooth as silk, fast and responsive enough for me during normal everyday driving.

I understand the mechanics of a DCT box, but what is the difference as a driver? Maybe I'm missing a point here :)
 
MattHall91 said:
The S tronic box in my A3 is mightily impresive and I am glad I went for it to cover 35k miles a year in.

However if I could have a 2nd car for weekends, I wouldn't look twice at even a DCT. I have come to appreciate the circumstances under which each gearbox is the best choice (for me).
Completely agree with this and had the S-Tronic gearbox in a TT-S and have the ZF8 in a 640d and I genuinely can't really understand why anybody rates that type of gearbox highly unless you are constantly stuck in traffic, because as soon as the road opens up both the S-Tronic and Auto gearboxes are as boring as hell for sure.

A three pedal manual has to rule the day if you enjoy driving or want any sort of satisfaction or reward for sure :driving:
 
dr_john said:
I don't really get this DCT vs auto issue.

I love my 8 speed auto, smooth as silk, fast and responsive enough for me during normal everyday driving.

I understand the mechanics of a DCT box, but what is the difference as a driver? Maybe I'm missing a point here :)
The fact is there really isn't any real difference and if anything the auto actually does a better job overall because it does the slush bit far better but also responds well in the right mode too, the problem with DCT/S-Tronic is that they are really good when pushing on but fall down at doing the rest of it.

You try moving a DCT/S-Tronic slowly forwards and backwards and it will frustrate you big time and that type of gearbox only seems happy when you are really pushing on and having fun, and let's be honest if you want fun it's the three pedal way all of the way anyway 8)
 
Welcome from a dinosaur - 3 pedals for me, and naturally-aspirated straight 6 with a 6-speed manual gearbox please! :driving:

Wouldn't consider any sort of flappy-paddle/turbo nonsense - but hey, that is why they invented the E89 I think!?! :thumbsdown:

What a disappointment in every respect! POS.
 
LeeZ4MR said:
. . . . . You try moving a DCT/S-Tronic slowly forwards and backwards and it will frustrate you big time . . . . . .
I am now on my fourth DCT/S-Tronic car and moving slowly both forwards and backwards is no problem at all. Problems are usually experienced by those who want to drive the things the same as a manual - they are not the same and the required technique needs to be acquired. Those who have an inability or are unwilling to adapt their driving style will have problems with a DCT/S-Tronic transmission.
 
Garvin said:
LeeZ4MR said:
. . . . . You try moving a DCT/S-Tronic slowly forwards and backwards and it will frustrate you big time . . . . . .
I am now on my fourth DCT/S-Tronic car and moving slowly both forwards and backwards is no problem at all. Problems are usually experienced by those who want to drive the things the same as a manual - they are not the same and the required technique needs to be acquired. Those who have an inability or are unwilling to adapt their driving style will have problems with a DCT/S-Tronic transmission.
I just found it annoying and you don't get the same problem with a slush auto, I admire the DCT/S-Tronic gearboxes for the quick shifts and they are technical masterpieces for sure but I just personally prefer a normal auto over a DCT/S-Tronic.

I prefer the three pedal manual over all of them ultimately though :D
 
Seriously I don't get anyone who says you have to have a manual to have any kind of true satisfaction of a driving experience... utter nonsense... if that were the case you may as well say to have true satisfaction you should leave the car at home and get out on a sports motorbike because there is a no more involving an experience on the road than that!

We all derive our enjoyment and satisfaction from different points of view...there's no right or wrong answers here.... auto.. manual.. dct.. smg...steptronic... flappy paddles, its all different gravy. "its a sports car it HAS to be a manual" no it doesn't... if it did there wouldn't be all these other options :D
 
Zed Five said:
I drove a manual new bmw yesterday for the first time in a while. I genuinely cannot see why anyone bothers with a manual these days. Just pointless 'ohh i'm a driver' talk. Who cares? I'm afraid i wont be buying one.

Who cares? That will be the proper manual driver! :poke:
 
mr.tourette said:
Seriously I don't get anyone who says you have to have a manual to have any kind of true satisfaction of a driving experience... utter nonsense... if that were the case you may as well say to have true satisfaction you should leave the car at home and get out on a sports motorbike because there is a no more involving an experience on the road than that!

We all derive our enjoyment and satisfaction from different points of view...there's no right or wrong answers here.... auto.. manual.. dct.. smg...steptronic... flappy paddles, its all different gravy. "its a sports car it HAS to be a manual" no it doesn't... if it did there wouldn't be all these other options :D
I hardly ever get any satisfaction from driving a car that has an auto or DCT with paddles but I do appreciate them in stop/start traffic though, when I have ran a weekend car it's always been a three pedal manual and I know if I had a weekend car with an auto or DCT I would never be interested in using it.

All the different transmissions do have a part to play for sure and you just go with the one that ticks the box for you personally for sure.
 
mr.tourette said:
https://youtu.be/ufzdL1JaEKM

check this out... not a manual shift in sight... very uninvolving :rofl: :lol:
Point taken...it would have been even more involving if it had a three pedal manual though :D
 
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