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bigdog said:
Theres a snippet of information that took me by surprise And well done on handling the Ahole that beat on your Mum.
Armed police in the UK - discuss
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Theres a snippet of information that took me by surprise And well done on handling the Ahole that beat on your Mum.
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micz4 said:
I couldn't do it mate, I think walking into parliament with an AK and shouting "the next twat that says here here, is getting a cap in their ass" would get me sacked,
But hey thanks for your vote.
Nosa said:
Save and sound in storage at an undisclosed location. That Chuck Yeager was a gift from my step mother to my father. After he passed away. She gave it to me. Believe it or not. I could have brought all of them to Germany. There is a US Military gun club near me that has weapons storage and a first rate shooting range as well as ammo sales. I to was a military brat and spent twenty years in the Air Force (retired in 1995) working on minuteman II nuclear missile targeting and electronics systems and in a combat communications unit. As you can see from my last post. I did feel compelled to protect my mom as she was being beaten by her date. Even as a 14 year old. I didn't take that action lightly and I was scared to death. But as I had grown up around guns I knew better than to just open fire. The mere brandishing of my rifle sent the attacker on his way.
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bigdog said:
So it would appear that those who have been properly educated on firearms would have a more calm and forward thinking approach when contemplating using one a normal 14 year old would have most likely let rip first and prob miss.
I remember our class's first time on the firerange when going through basic training in 1981, even after all the classroom work and range safety lessons many have a strange urge to point it the wrong way, I witnessed one guy getting the gunnery officers right boot in his testicles, it hospitalized him, for 2 weeks.
Stuart Truman said:
I don't have that military grade weapon for home defense. Read the US founding fathers letters and documents about citizen weapons, Like the federalist papers or the second amendment. Then you will know why I have that 7.62MM. or this from just a few years ago.
"Our main agenda is to have all guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn't matter if you have to distort the facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed."
Sara Brady
Chairman, Handgun Control Inc, to Senator Howard Metzenbaum
The National Educator, January 1994, Page 3.
and this from European history.
"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!"
Adolph Hitler
Chancellor, Germany, 1933
I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. But rest assured. If you are standing anywhere near me and someone attacks you with a cricket bat or pulls a gun on you. Would you want me to stop him by pulling my pistol or have me call the police? Of course you really wouldn't have to ask. I would willingly come to your rescue.
Sorry if it pisses folk off but I am a definite yes to arming the police.
It is the responsibility of government to modify laws to suit changing conditions, and at this point in our history, we have huge amounts of scumbags walking our streets that have no respect for anybody or anything other than themselves.
Point in question was the scumbag who killed the 2 female cops .....
obviously a "hard man" with status ...... yeah right. First thing he did was turn himself in so nobody would hurt him .... he knew the entire police force would be after him and he could become an accident .... like most "hard men" .... full on pussy.
Cops all over europe are armed ..... but never use them ...... point is, if threatened, they can defend themselves, and without a doubt .... it works. Nobody argues with someone carrying a gun.
and when the situation evolves back to "old" GB again, then change the laws to suit again .........
We expect cops to go into situations that we wouldn't do ourselves, the least we could do is give them the tools to do the job. Nowhere in europe has gun crime increased because cops are armed ......
It is the responsibility of government to modify laws to suit changing conditions, and at this point in our history, we have huge amounts of scumbags walking our streets that have no respect for anybody or anything other than themselves.
Point in question was the scumbag who killed the 2 female cops .....
obviously a "hard man" with status ...... yeah right. First thing he did was turn himself in so nobody would hurt him .... he knew the entire police force would be after him and he could become an accident .... like most "hard men" .... full on pussy.
Cops all over europe are armed ..... but never use them ...... point is, if threatened, they can defend themselves, and without a doubt .... it works. Nobody argues with someone carrying a gun.
and when the situation evolves back to "old" GB again, then change the laws to suit again .........
We expect cops to go into situations that we wouldn't do ourselves, the least we could do is give them the tools to do the job. Nowhere in europe has gun crime increased because cops are armed ......
I am not sure about our American contributor's perspective.
30 police were killed by guns in the UK in the last forty years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_police_officers_killed_in_the_line_of_duty
There are about 70 killings with guns in the UK each year.
In LA 54 people were killed by the police last year and there were 600 homicides.
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jun/10/local/la-me-cop-shootings-20120610
There are about 12000 gun related homicides in the US each year.
Moving in any way towards the American model doesn't make much sense to me.
30 police were killed by guns in the UK in the last forty years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_police_officers_killed_in_the_line_of_duty
There are about 70 killings with guns in the UK each year.
In LA 54 people were killed by the police last year and there were 600 homicides.
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jun/10/local/la-me-cop-shootings-20120610
There are about 12000 gun related homicides in the US each year.
Moving in any way towards the American model doesn't make much sense to me.
Nosa said:
Also interested to hear more Taz. I can only guess that means you've sat with some jurors who don't have a second brain cell to keep the first one warm at night? Given what counts for common sense these days, I'm not sure I'd trust my peers in the general public!
bigdog said:
Completely disagree, as far as I'm concerned no member of the ordinary public should be allowed too keep firearms end of story and the last thing we need is gun ho heroes on our streets, disaster waiting to happen if it was allowed in the UK. You only have too look at some of the recent nutcase shootings across Europe and in the US. Some people who own firearms may be perfectly sane but people change and thats when the danger looms. I wouldn't want to live in any country where your average Joe Public has guns in the house. Wild west springs to mind :x
Nope all guns should be binned and melted down
Tim.
bigdog said:
Bigdog - in Switzerland, every able body person undertakes military training, so has to have a weapon. However, the ammunition is very tightly controlled - it is regularly checked and you have to account for all rounds in your possession, no excuses. Heavy jail sentences result in failing to do so.
It is still disconcerting to see people with assault rifles coming in to work though
.... and I'm a fan of Judge Dredd and Escape from LA - a combination of these two using the IoW would work for me :wink:
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teamemmenracing said:
Chuck Norris Does :wink:
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markeg said:
So you would happily hand over the IoW to crims, a beutiful peacefull island on the the sunny south coast, maybe we could also supply them with pedalos and free beer.
There are far more desolate collections of rocks with prevailing cold high winds and no shelter and no existing inhabitants that would need to be moved off the coast of Scotland that I think would serve the purpose better. or just adapt Liverpool, only about a third of the population would need to be relocated :lol:
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markeg said:
Hmm I will have to concede on that one, even though Ross kemp is a tosser.
bigdog said:
Someone did pull a baseball bat on me. Doing that to a taekwondo instructor was the last dumb thing he did for a week or so. He spent the rest of the week in hospital. (I only kicked him once :? )Thankfully I had witnesses that showed I was attacked and the boys in blue left it at that.
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TitanTim said:[Nope all guns should be binned and melted down
Tim.
Whats your thoughts on any knobend who can pass a test being put in charge of a cruise missile, coz we allow thousands of them every year and they kill more people every year than guns.
Guns don't kill people, people do.
You will never rid the world of Guns, it's to late, they have been invented, it would be like trying to rid the world of the wheel, mankind has always used weapons to protect and defend, remove the gun from his hand and he will simply pick up the next best weapon.
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Stuart Truman said:
Did you mention the Alpina just once too often to him :lol: :lol: :lol:
Sorry Stuart I just couldn't help myself with that one
I would favour the use of rockall but I like puffins
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockall
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockall