Anyone know this car?

Big Bad Boris

Senior member
 Braintree
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202006099958037?radius=1500&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&postcode=cm75ns&model=Z4&aggregatedTrim=30i&make=BMW&sort=relevance&advertising-location=at_cars&page=1

I ask, as my spider senses tell me something is not right. This car was on Ebay last month, same advert text i.e. saying he reserves the right to remove it if it doesn’t sell for “the price in mind”. There was no reserve price, so it was a normal Ebay auction, so as I understand on those terms once the car sells, it sells you can’t then decide the price isn’t high enough. Out of interest while the auction was live I asked the seller if he would provide scans/copies of the “full BMW history and service”, which I have done (without issue) with others sellers and dealers. Here is the response I received word for word ...

“New message from: rotaruvaleriupetru (290Turquoise Star)
Dear Kevan,

what is the reason for the request ? what are you intending to do with the scans ? what sort of request is that Kevan ?
if you need to see the service history you will have it when you come and take it away if you have any concerns we go to the dealer and the staff there is going to answer any questions related to this vehicle as they know the car as well .
Stop wasting my time asking for scans or pictures of the vin number etc all the info is online just put the number plates in an app and the history will com up”

Not quite what I was expecting, also a point to note, I didn’t ask for the VIN (I had already found it :wink:) but no doubt someone else had and received a similar response to the one I got. The auction ended and the car “sold” on Ebay for £9k, a week later it’s on Auto Trader (with exactly the same advert) for £10,500...a few days later for £10,297....a few days again and now at £10,197.

May all be perfectly genuine, but just all seems a bit odd to me. Not many 30i’s for sale at present so in case anyone on here might be considering this particular one, this might be useful background, more so if anyone on here does happen to know that car?
 
Sounds pretty genuine, I think they guy just has no comprehension of how to competently sell a car :rofl:

ETA: Or how to park, looking at the photos.
 
Player 1 said:
Sounds pretty genuine, I think they guy just has no comprehension of how to competently sell a car :rofl:

ETA: Or how to park, looking at the photos.

Nothing wrong with a bit of defensive parking.

It's the defensive selling he needs to sort out! :rofl:
 
enuff_zed said:
It's the defensive selling he needs to sort out!

:rofl: :rofl:

If that is how the sellers responds to me I wouldn't buy from him, simples. Also this car is totally basic it doesn't seem to have any extras at all.
 
Silverstar said:
enuff_zed said:
It's the defensive selling he needs to sort out!

:rofl: :rofl:

If that is how the sellers responds to me I wouldn't buy from him, simples. Also this car is totally basic it doesn't seem to have any extras at all.

Yeah, but it has PRISTINE LEATHER NO MARKS, can't argue with that kind of sales pitch :wink:
 
It is one of those ‘suck it and see’. If you are interested and it’s not too far away go and have a look at the car. It might be a a good one even if you are not impressed with the seller. A few years ago I put my caravan up for sale. There was a fair bit of interest at the time. However one guy emailed from the other end of the country to where we live. To put it mildly he was extremely rude about the asking price and more or less accused me of being totally unreasonable. However, in spite of my inclination to tell Him what to do with himself I remained polite providing him with all the details. A number of other likeable folk got in touch and seemed interested. However, nothing materialised. A week later the ‘rude’ guy rang again arranged a viewing and drove up from Kent. He paid the asking price and took away the caravan. I was so glad I hadn’t told him to do something unmentionable with himself. You just never know when you are buying and selling. :roll:
 
IRD said:
It is one of those ‘suck it and see’. If you are interested and it’s not too far away go and have a look at the car. It might be a a good one even if you are not impressed with the seller. A few years ago I put my caravan up for sale. There was a fair bit of interest at the time. However one guy emailed from the other end of the country to where we live. To put it mildly he was extremely rude about the asking price and more or less accused me of being totally unreasonable. However, in spite of my inclination to tell Him what to do with himself I remained polite providing him with all the details. A number of other likeable folk got in touch and seemed interested. However, nothing materialised. A week later the ‘rude’ guy rang again arranged a viewing and drove up from Kent. He paid the asking price and took away the caravan. I was so glad I hadn’t told him to do something unmentionable with himself. You just never know when you are buying and selling. :roll:
I use to sell cars in the 80s/90s and some of the stories I could tell... Swiss Tony had nothing on us! :rofl:
 
IRD said:
It is one of those ‘suck it and see’. If you are interested and it’s not too far away go and have a look at the car. It might be a a good one even if you are not impressed with the seller. A few years ago I put my caravan up for sale. There was a fair bit of interest at the time. However one guy emailed from the other end of the country to where we live. To put it mildly he was extremely rude about the asking price and more or less accused me of being totally unreasonable. However, in spite of my inclination to tell Him what to do with himself I remained polite providing him with all the details. A number of other likeable folk got in touch and seemed interested. However, nothing materialised. A week later the ‘rude’ guy rang again arranged a viewing and drove up from Kent. He paid the asking price and took away the caravan. I was so glad I hadn’t told him to do something unmentionable with himself. You just never know when you are buying and selling. :roll:

This is 100% correct never pre-judge in sales you just don't know where your sale will come from. During my time selling cars I had a similar scenario guy came to look at a car was moaning about age related minor marks chips etc. and he rejected the car after spending quite a bit of time looking at it taking it for a test drive etc. Instead of being rude to the chap I just wished him well and left it at that. Two months later I had an identical car in but in much better condition, out of the blue this same chap called me came to take a look and paid the asking price. He actually told me he came back to me because other dealers had been rude to him in similar circumstances. Sales is a very interesting topic and lot of it is based on psychology.
 
Silverstar said:
IRD said:
It is one of those ‘suck it and see’. If you are interested and it’s not too far away go and have a look at the car. It might be a a good one even if you are not impressed with the seller. A few years ago I put my caravan up for sale. There was a fair bit of interest at the time. However one guy emailed from the other end of the country to where we live. To put it mildly he was extremely rude about the asking price and more or less accused me of being totally unreasonable. However, in spite of my inclination to tell Him what to do with himself I remained polite providing him with all the details. A number of other likeable folk got in touch and seemed interested. However, nothing materialised. A week later the ‘rude’ guy rang again arranged a viewing and drove up from Kent. He paid the asking price and took away the caravan. I was so glad I hadn’t told him to do something unmentionable with himself. You just never know when you are buying and selling. :roll:

This is 100% correct never pre-judge in sales you just don't know where your sale will come from. During my time selling cars I had a similar scenario guy came to look at a car was moaning about age related minor marks chips etc. and he rejected the car after spending quite a bit of time looking at it taking it for a test drive etc. Instead of being rude to the chap I just wished him well and left it at that. Two months later I had an identical car in but in much better condition, out of the blue this same chap called me came to take a look and paid the asking price. He actually told me he came back to me because other dealers had been rude to him in similar circumstances. Sales is a very interesting topic and lot of it is based on psychology.
We operated a controlled sales system, you had to qualify if potential customers were serious buyers.... BMWW - Brave Man without Wife! I had a guy buy a brand new car on his own. I did ask would his wife like to see the car... no, my money my car. Two hours after picking it up he was back, his wife threatened him with divorce. Bought the car back and sold them another they both liked... he lost a small fortune.
 
Zed Baron said:
We operated a controlled sales system, you had to qualify if potential customers were serious buyers.... BMWW - Brave Man without Wife! I had a guy buy a brand new car on his own. I did ask would his wife like to see the car... no, my money my car. Two hours after picking it up he was back, his wife threatened him with divorce. Bought the car back and sold them another they both liked... he lost a small fortune.

:rofl: :rofl: Now that is funny! I wonder if he is still that brave!
 
Silverstar said:
Zed Baron said:
We operated a controlled sales system, you had to qualify if potential customers were serious buyers.... BMWW - Brave Man without Wife! I had a guy buy a brand new car on his own. I did ask would his wife like to see the car... no, my money my car. Two hours after picking it up he was back, his wife threatened him with divorce. Bought the car back and sold them another they both liked... he lost a small fortune.

:rofl: :rofl: Now that is funny! I wonder if he is still that brave!
He was very offish to the point of being rude, then you realised it was a defensive reaction to being in a car showroom amongst the sharks! He was actually a good guy once you got to know him. Met lots of interesting characters, you build up relationships and then end up selling a few cars to them and then their families and friends. They were good times
 
I only made the enquiry when the car was hovering at £7k during the Ebay auction, I wondered if it might go cheap due to lack of interest during CV19, quite brave to put a car up with no reserve at that time. It is somewhat lacking in options as Silverstar said, and not my preferred colour combo etc but for a low mileage 30i with (supposedly) full BMW history it would have been worth a punt at that price.

My main thing was the car did sell on eBay (£9k) then immediately appeared on AutoTrader, all that stuff about reserving the right not sell if it “doesn’t reach the price in mind” just made me think the bids were maybe (“allegedly”) not from proper potential buyers, how’s that for tact :roll: . Just for the hell of it, here’s my response to his Email about the service history...


“New message to: rotaruvaleriupetru
Hi,

What a ridiculous response to a perfectly reasonable request. Anyone with a modicum of common sense would want to see the service history of a car before they buy it, not after. What I intend to do with the scans, is to look at them, to make sure it has been serviced correctly and in accordance with the servicing schedule, would you see that as a waste of time or a sensible step in buying a car you’d never seen?

Good luck selling - it won’t be to me.“

Rather polite I thought in the circumstances. In a way I was hoping he would respond, as I was then going to give him both barrels and tell him what a d*ckhead he was...sadly he didn’t come back.

Any one fancy dropping him a line via AT and ask for the a copy of the history and VIN number, oh I love being a grown up (nearly) :rofl:
 
Price dropped once again to £10,097. Clearly his sales technique is not paying dividends or maybe it’s just his fear of round numbers working against him. :D
 
Big Bad Boris said:
Price dropped once again to £10,097. Clearly his sales technique is not paying dividends or maybe it’s just his fear of round numbers working against him. :D

I think he is trying to use the psychology of making 10K look like 9K accept forgot that should then make it 9995! :rofl:
 
Now this is interesting. Anyone know this one?

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202006210364794?price-from=10000&make=BMW&model=Z4&sort=relevance&postcode=cm75ns&advertising-location=at_cars&price-to=10000&radius=1501&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&page=1

I detect a rather similar description to the first car I posted (which hasn’t been snapped up as yet).
 
Looks like a good genuine car, 1 owner with a good MOT history (tyres and windscreen washer fail). Photographed outside a house (that matches the area) and not a supermarket car park and can't be fairer than saying that an inspection at a BMW garage can be arranged. Yes there may be similarities to the text, but maybe it was copied as a starting point, Ive done that in the past.
 
Having sold our first Z4 and achieved the full asking price I found the actual buyer polite and answered all of his questions in the run up to viewing so that when he actually came to view it was essentially a done deal.
HOWEVER!
ALL of the texters and tyre kickers who came before him were a downright PITA55!
All this how low will you go, my freinds got one and the suspension, hood, brakes will all need replaceing is actually insulting when the potential purchaser hasnt even looked at the car!
Then there is the cash offer by text way below asking without even so much as a : Hello, I was wondering if you need a quick sale?

I actually sold it by parking it outside my house and the guy spotted it and phoned me up to arrange a viewing.
This just looks like a speculative sale - no problem with that - maybe you got him on a bad day after a string of timewasters?

Honesty is always the best policy but its still buyer beware.
As for service histories - some are not worth the paper they are written on. Which is why BMW have gone for computer based and the mileage is recorded accross the car and not just the speedo. You can buy a service history book after all.

Looks like a lovely car - wait till it drops sub 7k and then get in there!
 
Big Bad Boris said:
Now this is interesting. Anyone know this one?

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202006210364794?price-from=10000&make=BMW&model=Z4&sort=relevance&postcode=cm75ns&advertising-location=at_cars&price-to=10000&radius=1501&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&page=1

I detect a rather similar description to the first car I posted (which hasn’t been snapped up as yet).

Forum guy " Punter" has just listed this on here , doubt you will find a more genuine car / owner :wink:
 
Interesting, hopefully Mr Punter will step forward and confirm if he copied the advert from my original seller and I will apologise forl linking him with the original numpty I encountered :thumbsup:
 
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