Any m onwers tempted by the 1m
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IMO i think the 1M looks very good. One point where beedub is perfectly right is that EVEN if the 1M isnt THE explosion a lot of people are expecting, the money u will need to spend on the car to get it to have a lot more torque and hp compared to the Z4M is going to be a joke.
If i'm honest i dont like the new Z4 and thinking about the new Z4M that could come one day and THE PRICE that it will have i'm sorry but i will never buy a new Z4M or Z4. i dont like the look the driving, the engine etc etc. it's not a sportscar for me.
But i can tell u one thing BEEDUB the price of the new 1M is going to be huge.
BMW is changing completly. High reving engines (if u ask me thats why everyone loved the M's) are coming to an end. we are the last heros of BMW M DIVISION
In 50 years u will see pictures of us with our cars and everything will just be nice memories of an era where all this globalwarming bullsh1t wasnt important.
As long my z4m will roll believe me i will push that engine to 8000rpm and do burnouts in front of HIPPIES. God i hate hippies. :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
If i'm honest i dont like the new Z4 and thinking about the new Z4M that could come one day and THE PRICE that it will have i'm sorry but i will never buy a new Z4M or Z4. i dont like the look the driving, the engine etc etc. it's not a sportscar for me.
But i can tell u one thing BEEDUB the price of the new 1M is going to be huge.
BMW is changing completly. High reving engines (if u ask me thats why everyone loved the M's) are coming to an end. we are the last heros of BMW M DIVISION
In 50 years u will see pictures of us with our cars and everything will just be nice memories of an era where all this globalwarming bullsh1t wasnt important.
As long my z4m will roll believe me i will push that engine to 8000rpm and do burnouts in front of HIPPIES. God i hate hippies. :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
I want to really like this car and I have no doubt it will be epic. However the bottom line is its probably going to cost over £40K with a nice spec and unless the car goes on a diet then its still going to be heavier than a Z4M by some margin so I cant really see any benefit other than two extra seats and a 3 year warranty. On the plus side the limited numbers should stop it falling on its arse but I still think it will be a £30K car after 12 months.
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It looks pretty good to me and calling it a backward step is a bit odd. 
It's lining up to be a modern day E30 M3 IMO. Compact and nimble, E46 M3 power (so the same as a Z4M), good equipment, what looks to be a great stance...whenever I see a high spec 135i it strikes me as such a nice car, and they are really good to drive. As long as it doesn't look like a pig and comes in around £40k (old E46 M3 money) I think it will be very interesting indeed. I'll have a look.
It's lining up to be a modern day E30 M3 IMO. Compact and nimble, E46 M3 power (so the same as a Z4M), good equipment, what looks to be a great stance...whenever I see a high spec 135i it strikes me as such a nice car, and they are really good to drive. As long as it doesn't look like a pig and comes in around £40k (old E46 M3 money) I think it will be very interesting indeed. I'll have a look.
mikedav said:
Personally I think this talk of being a modern day E30 M3 is a marketing ploy. The only thing it will have in common is that it will be the lightest M in the currently available lineup of M cars.
The E30 M3 was primarily built as a race car to win races and championships. In order to go racing with them the rules stated BMW had to make x number of road cars a year (5000 rings a bell ). Parts used in the race cars also had to be on the road cars, hence the Evo 1, 2 and 3. The Evo 3 had a bigger engine which allowed BMW to use that engine in their race cars. So the road going E30 M3's were detuned race cars for the road.
Talk of progression, some would argue the E30 M3 is still the finest M ever. Even today a well sorted one can still be very handy round a race track.....especially as they get lighter lap by lap as clumps of rust falls off
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.I like the 1series COupe and will definately want to learn more about the M and test drive one, but it won't be an E30 M3. I have no doubt it will be a good car though as all M's are
I'm happy to keep my M, unless of course there is a V8M. I dont see in spending so much money when there is not a day i dont like my car. I always loved V8s, so thats somethng I would consider, ultimately if i can afford I'm planning to buy a v8 TVR which should be fun and of course keep my M.
Darren M said:
I meant more in terms of size really; I'm looking at a new M3 at the moment but it's grown in every way (size, weight, power and £53k + toys) to become an accomplished GT car. The 1M appeals on the basis of it being a feistier, more nimble car with a shorter wheelbase and tighter proportions. It's actually got alot in common with the old E46 M3 - circa 350BHP, £40k+ options, dimensions, etc etc. I definitely think it warrants a look because IMO, the 1 is by far the best in it's class to drive. Brilliant handling and has the quality / refinement of bigger BMWs.
pilchardthecat
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How many of you have actually driven the 135i for any length of time?
The Z4 3.0si is a much more entertaining car, a better chassis by far, a cleaer more responsive engine, all in all a much better starting point. The 135i is a decent steer, and has bags of useable mid range, and it's fast, but it's nowhere near the Z4 in terms of driving purity, and the top end of that engine is all fizzle. Nothing of signifiance happens after 5,500rpm.
It might be a "better" car but it won't be as much fun.
The Z4 3.0si is a much more entertaining car, a better chassis by far, a cleaer more responsive engine, all in all a much better starting point. The 135i is a decent steer, and has bags of useable mid range, and it's fast, but it's nowhere near the Z4 in terms of driving purity, and the top end of that engine is all fizzle. Nothing of signifiance happens after 5,500rpm.
It might be a "better" car but it won't be as much fun.
Judging by the M-division's recent efforts (X5 & X6M) I don't hold out much hope of this being any good. It's not got enough power, it's too heavy and it's a turbo. I wonder if BMW know (or care) how many M customers they are pushing towards Porsche. 997 Gen 2 has 225g/km CO2 no turbo 180mph top speed.
The M division need to stop producing lard arsed cars for fat executives and start building race honed road cars again.
The M division need to stop producing lard arsed cars for fat executives and start building race honed road cars again.
I wish they'd done the three door instead of the coupe. Might have a look in a couple of years, although if it's manual-only then it isn't for me.
original guvnor said:
That's firmly M6 teritory though. The base Carerra - before options - is £66,000. It's the S you really want, and that's £74,000. Fab to drive (better than the M6 IMO), but twice the (likely) price of a 1M and even a fully loaded M3 is cheaper than an entry level 997. If you compare like with like, the 1M and M3 are perfect matches for the forthcoming RS3 and the RS4 respectively. They do what they are designed to - offer 4 seats, a boot, power and an entertaining drive. They aren't really supposed to compete with 2 seater sportscars....
If you look back at M cars (E30 M3, E34 M5, E36 M3, E39 M5, E46 M3, etc etc) nearly all have been sporting sedans. They all had electric windows, power seats, auto gearboxes as an option....not really stripped out racing cars. The E30 M3 seems basic today but it was fully loaded then. IMO BMW have never built stripped out road racers, they build sporting sedans. The Z3M and Z4M were an exception to the rule in that they were harder and more driver focussed, but even they were fully specced up...
Having said that I agree the X6M and X5M are an abomination.....but BMW is a business and Russian gangsters need transport.
Dont't think the E30 M3 was available with an auto box (had a manual box with a dogleg first) or power seats but yeah were probably well specced up for the time but light by todays standards (1200kg). The E92 M3 must be heading towards 1600kg? Thinking back both of mine (E30 M3's)were the same spec, electric windows and I think heated door mirrors. The Evo 2 I had didn't have aircon whch isn't an option these days although aircon systems are probably much lighter than they were back in the 80`s.
Darren M said:
The US market one did have auto didn't it? But not quite the same car admitedly. Every car get's heavier with each generation due to crash regs, equipment, electronics and shear size...I don't think you could build a 1200KG 2 door saloon now even if you wanted to....Park an E30 or E34 next to their modern equivelants and the size difference is astonishing...
I think the new 1M might be quite interesting....not sure on the styling but size / power / price wise, yes. And a 1M CSL, now that could really be something
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