ANOTHER z4m video review

[Jembo]

The Sport button puts the steering rack into placebo mode.

Well, exactly! I can totally believe that if he thought it would make a difference, it would feel like it made a difference. The placebo effect is a thing. Sport button doing something to the steering on an ///M, however, is not.

In a way it’s understandable why Joel ‘felt’ this... & from someone who works with software & deals with ‘undocumented features’ each & every day know there’s always a grey area of doubt.

However, I believe it’s simply down to the M steering being more weighty & suggest, with the Sport button making a highly responsive engine even more snappy, the weighty unflustered feel of the steering becomes even more apparent.

Regardless, they’re all great reviews & if Joel ever makes it onto a future TopGear or Grand Tour know he’ll provide a carasmatic show we can all be proud of... well there’s a new format idea... have guests representing car clubs doing a pitch!!!

 

[It’s Joel]

The Sport button puts the steering rack into placebo mode.

I really loved Joel’s Z4m Coupe review, I just wish he didn’t say that he felt the Z4m Roadster steering responsiveness changing with the Sport button because he immediately lost any credit he had in my mind. I’m not joking, I really enjoyed his previous z4m review, but now I won’t be able to believe anything he says about a car after this Sport button thing...

Joel, make yourself a favour and take this video down, I’m serious mate. (Or just edit it out)

I really enjoy reading all your feedback in this forum guys - I work extremely hard to produce content in my spare time for YouTube and it is fantastic to see everyone getting excited about some of it.

However, this is absolutely ridiculous and I find it extremely rude Gustavo & I've taken it as a real personal dig. I don't ever claim to be an expert on these cars, I'm just lucky enough to be able to give them a drive and share my opinions. Do yourself a favour and stop watching my videos, because I'm not always going to get it right.

Thanks to everyone else for your continued support!

 

[Nanu]

Great video, but the sport button has zero effect on the steering

Disagree there. The steering feels a little heavier and more responsive. Any tracking issues with the runflats disappear when in sport especially when motorway driving.

I think you're not talking about an E85/E86 M, but with your E89 right?

Yep thats right. Only ever owned / driven an e89 and sport mode does make a difference on mine without a doubt.

 

[Beedub]

Joel see if you can get a go in the supercharged one thats for sale!! that will blow your mind! lol!

 

[DOOM]

However, this is absolutely ridiculous and I find it extremely rude Gustavo & I've taken it as a real personal dig. I don't ever claim to be an expert on these cars, I'm just lucky enough to be able to give them a drive and share my opinions. Do yourself a favour and stop watching my videos, because I'm not always going to get it right.
Thanks to everyone else for your continued support!

C'mon now, now you're exaggerating here. NO, it's not ridiculous and you shouldn't take it so seriously.
Firstly @Gustavo was polite and just expressed his/her opinion in you editing your video. After all, you're not a pro but shouldn't you be precise and accurate if you want to become one? Doug DeMuro, on the other hand, is full of inaccuracies but keeps rising in views..
Secondly, you're just adding too much (web) stress to yourself. Opinions are like @ssholes, everyone has one. You can't get irritated and answer back at the comments you won't like.

 

[TomK]

I think the term used these days is "snowflake"

 

[Felix79]

Disagree there. The steering feels a little heavier and more responsive. Any tracking issues with the runflats disappear when in sport especially when motorway driving.

I think you're not talking about an E85/E86 M, but with your E89 right?

Yep thats right. Only ever owned / driven an e89 and sport mode does make a difference on mine without a doubt.

Yeah the E85/E86 M's never had run flats and the Sport button was dealt with the throttle response. On the standard range, the Sport button did a number of things.

 

[Gustavo7]

The Sport button puts the steering rack into placebo mode.

I really loved Joel’s Z4m Coupe review, I just wish he didn’t say that he felt the Z4m Roadster steering responsiveness changing with the Sport button because he immediately lost any credit he had in my mind. I’m not joking, I really enjoyed his previous z4m review, but now I won’t be able to believe anything he says about a car after this Sport button thing...

Joel, make yourself a favour and take this video down, I’m serious mate. (Or just edit it out)

I really enjoy reading all your feedback in this forum guys - I work extremely hard to produce content in my spare time for YouTube and it is fantastic to see everyone getting excited about some of it.

However, this is absolutely ridiculous and I find it extremely rude Gustavo & I've taken it as a real personal dig. I don't ever claim to be an expert on these cars, I'm just lucky enough to be able to give them a drive and share my opinions. Do yourself a favour and stop watching my videos, because I'm not always going to get it right.

Thanks to everyone else for your continued support!

If you’re not going to get it right then at least make the effort to correct it. Or better, get someone in full knowledge of the car you are testing to review your video before uploading it to the world of wide web.

And btw, it was a real personal dig, but probably one of the nicest ones you have or will ever receive.

Don’t get annoyed just work harder and study the cars you drive and I’m sure you will improve. This is especially relevant now that your goals are to expand and review more than Z4’s.

Wish you the best of luck Joel.

 

[Nanu]

full knowledge of the car you are testing to review

Sorry to give my two penneth but, I don't think its necessary to have "full knowledge of the car you are testing to review" That would depend on what exactly it is you are reviewing. I could drive a Ferrari and an Aston Martin and give my opinions on which I think drives the best, identify pluses and minuses which are my opinion without having the technical knowledge of each car. If however I want to review the best engine or suspension, then I agree I would need a more technical knowledge to compare. I suspect Joel is just reviewing the driving experience and lucky him. If he wants a second opinion on any he only has to ask me. Happy to assist

 

[Beedub]

pure emotion in here bosssssss.

 

[Gustavo7]

full knowledge of the car you are testing to review

Sorry to give my two penneth but, I don't think its necessary to have "full knowledge of the car you are testing to review" That would depend on what exactly it is you are reviewing. I could drive a Ferrari and an Aston Martin and give my opinions on which I think drives the best, identify pluses and minuses which are my opinion without having the technical knowledge of each car. If however I want to review the best engine or suspension, then I agree I would need a more technical knowledge to compare. I suspect Joel is just reviewing the driving experience and lucky him. If he wants a second opinion on any he only has to ask me. Happy to assist

You totally missed my point Nanu. I didn’t say you need to have full knowledge of a car in order to review it, I said:

get someone in full knowledge of the car you are testing to review your video before uploading it to the world of wide web.

Which is exactly the assistance you’ve just offered him.

 

[Nanu]

full knowledge of the car you are testing to review

Sorry to give my two penneth but, I don't think its necessary to have "full knowledge of the car you are testing to review" That would depend on what exactly it is you are reviewing. I could drive a Ferrari and an Aston Martin and give my opinions on which I think drives the best, identify pluses and minuses which are my opinion without having the technical knowledge of each car. If however I want to review the best engine or suspension, then I agree I would need a more technical knowledge to compare. I suspect Joel is just reviewing the driving experience and lucky him. If he wants a second opinion on any he only has to ask me. Happy to assist

You totally missed my point Nanu. I didn’t say you need to have full knowledge of a car in order to review it, I said:

get someone in full knowledge of the car you are testing to review your video before uploading it to the world of wide web.

Which is exactly the assistance you’ve just offered him.

Assistance for me to drive loads more and different cars

 

[Felix79]

I tried my best to get things right what I told Joel. Because of the type of Dyslexia I have, I get words muddled and for the life of me I was having a hell of a time explaining the vanos/intake section of the S54 on my M. When the video comes out where he's doing a detailed tour of my car and has his next to it, so he can point out differences, any factual errors are going to be my fault sorry guys. I did do as much reading up as I could before I went down to let him film with my M, so I could answer any questions/highlight aspects about the car.

On a positive, my M has been running like a dream since having a good long run and actually getting driven hard during the filming. Every time I go out in my M, I'm just falling further and further in love with the car. It's almost perfect atm, I just need to put my replacement M badge on the drivers side and I really want to install different spring/dampeners that are more suited to UK A and B roads. Thankfully with so many of you guys trying out so many setups over the years, there is a lot of knowledge and advice open to me, which a few of you have messaged me, letting me know that I can get in touch with you to help get the right setup for the type of driving and look with my M.

 

[XMetal]

The Sport button puts the steering rack into placebo mode.

I really loved Joel’s Z4m Coupe review, I just wish he didn’t say that he felt the Z4m Roadster steering responsiveness changing with the Sport button because he immediately lost any credit he had in my mind. I’m not joking, I really enjoyed his previous z4m review, but now I won’t be able to believe anything he says about a car after this Sport button thing...

Joel, make yourself a favour and take this video down, I’m serious mate. (Or just edit it out)

Agreed - Joel lost all credibility with me on the sport button thing when he said everything stiffened up, which implied adjustable suspension as well was adjustable steering assist/weight. How can I trust a reviewer's opinion if he/she feels something that didn't really existed in the first place?

Finally, putting the nail in the coffin - Joel said Z4M were "built" in Germany

 

[-Tom-]

The Sport button puts the steering rack into placebo mode.

I really loved Joel’s Z4m Coupe review, I just wish he didn’t say that he felt the Z4m Roadster steering responsiveness changing with the Sport button because he immediately lost any credit he had in my mind. I’m not joking, I really enjoyed his previous z4m review, but now I won’t be able to believe anything he says about a car after this Sport button thing...

Joel, make yourself a favour and take this video down, I’m serious mate. (Or just edit it out)

Agreed - Joel lost all credibility with me on the sport button thing when he said everything stiffened up, which implied adjustable suspension as well was adjustable steering assist/weight. How can I trust a reviewer's opinion if he/she feels something that didn't really existed in the first place?

Finally, putting the nail in the coffin - Joel said Z4M were "built" in Germany

I might be wrong, but I think that’s right to a point. I thought the drive train of the M was assembled/produced in Germany by the M division, then shipped to the States and the rest of the car made around it ? :?

 

[TomK]

The Sport button puts the steering rack into placebo mode.

I really loved Joel’s Z4m Coupe review, I just wish he didn’t say that he felt the Z4m Roadster steering responsiveness changing with the Sport button because he immediately lost any credit he had in my mind. I’m not joking, I really enjoyed his previous z4m review, but now I won’t be able to believe anything he says about a car after this Sport button thing...

Joel, make yourself a favour and take this video down, I’m serious mate. (Or just edit it out)

Agreed - Joel lost all credibility with me on the sport button thing when he said everything stiffened up, which implied adjustable suspension as well was adjustable steering assist/weight. How can I trust a reviewer's opinion if he/she feels something that didn't really existed in the first place?

Finally, putting the nail in the coffin - Joel said Z4M were "built" in Germany

Agree too. Slightly more poignant to me is that there's an owner (I believe of many years?) on here who also thinks the sport button changes the steering feel. Amazing So in that sense maybe we should be a little easier on poor Joel :? The power of placebo :lol:
But really, does anyone actually take any of these amateur (at best) reviews of cars on youtube that seriously? Zero credibility and research are pretty much a given when you (or someone else) is not paying for it...

 

[Felix79]

The Germany comment is due to stuff I had read online, where it was saying the M's were finished there. I was the one that mentioned this to Joel before he was filming the segment. I thought M division were putting the cars together like Alpina do with the shells they get from BMW?

 

[Phoenixboy]

i am staggered that people take a lot of these youtubers so seriously.
its a bit of light entertainment that does not claim to be a factory review.
even some of the top youtubers talk purely for effect to attract subscribers.
its a bit of fun to see cars you may have an interest in.
it is not intended to be a factual review in most cases.

 

[Muckinonthesofa]

i am staggered that people take a lot of these youtubers so seriously.
its a bit of light entertainment that does not claim to be a factory review.
even some of the top youtubers talk purely for effect to attract subscribers.
its a bit of fun to see cars you may have an interest in.
it is not intended to be a factual review in most cases.

A bit of context at last. Just take any positive reviews as good news and roll with it. All this criticism over a mistake he made and talking about credibility, really!? Its an amateur YouTube channel posting an opinion on a car, the guy isn't writing a review in The Times. YouTube is not governed by editorial rules as far as I know, if he ever makes it on to the BBC then it's fair game. Relax people

 

[Phoenixboy]

i am staggered that people take a lot of these youtubers so seriously.
its a bit of light entertainment that does not claim to be a factory review.
even some of the top youtubers talk purely for effect to attract subscribers.
its a bit of fun to see cars you may have an interest in.
it is not intended to be a factual review in most cases.

A bit of context at last. Just take any positive reviews as good news and roll with it. All this criticism over a mistake he made and talking about credibility, really!? Its an amateur YouTube channel posting an opinion on a car, the guy isn't writing a review in The Times. YouTube is not governed by editorial rules as far as I know, if he ever makes it on to the BBC then it's fair game. Relax people