Another 'Terrorist attack' in Paris tonight.
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Islamic groups such ISIL, Al Qu'ida, Taliban, Boko Haram (please excuse the spelling) and hundreds more throughout the world will never negotiate with western powers or lose their belief in the avowed aim to eliminate all the non-believers of their chosen faith.
They have no qualms about massacring innocent civilians and are more than happy to die for their cause.
There is no short term solution, the deployment of more arms and troops would possibly slow them down for a while but would not address the core problem.
These groups are very well funded, appear to have unlimited arms and ammunition and I think a lot more could be done to cut off the hands that feed them. This maybe unpalatable to certain governments who trade with the suppliers of money and arms etc but it would be a positive start. I'm sure western intelligence know some of the funders so maybe we should start with them.
They have no qualms about massacring innocent civilians and are more than happy to die for their cause.
There is no short term solution, the deployment of more arms and troops would possibly slow them down for a while but would not address the core problem.
These groups are very well funded, appear to have unlimited arms and ammunition and I think a lot more could be done to cut off the hands that feed them. This maybe unpalatable to certain governments who trade with the suppliers of money and arms etc but it would be a positive start. I'm sure western intelligence know some of the funders so maybe we should start with them.
pvr said:
Chicken and egg scenario, which came first rules or religion, in my mind they came into being at the same time. Organised religion was a way to govern, to install fear through divine retribution, once you open your eyes to the simplicity of it and break those bonds of fear the way to atheism is but a short road to travel.
Religion is not the backbone of Morals and society, society defines morality, what is socially acceptable now, was not so but a few years previously and that is and always will be, it is called progress. Religions try to enforce morality but it normally succumbs to progress and adapts accordingly, though Catholicism and Islam less so.
Morality can change quickly in society and can be subverted in the most unimaginable ways through fear and hatred. What was abhorrent in Nazi Germany, was the fact a small number of individuals could convince an entire nation through propaganda to commit genocide.
ronk said:
Yes.
Civilised to who? Look at it from both perspectives. Who is sending planes and missiles to who? It could have been possible until coalitions invaded their countries. We seemed to have done a good job of it when Russia invaded Ukraine recently?
So are we going to intervene in India, Sierra Leone, Korea, China etc where there is invasion taking place right now?
Yes, there is such a thing as neutrality when it comes to warfare.
Moheddine said:
Yes.
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There is no 100% neutrality !
Look at it this way, you are contributing to the conflict by simply paying your tax to Hmrc - are you therefore 100% neutral? You've paid for part of those bombs like it or not!
We should ignore what's going on in another country? would that also include natural disasters, earthquake, famine and drought etc?
We are fortunate to live in a society governed by the rules of law - that pleases me!
ronk said:
I vote a certain way in the hope of preventing the money being spent a certain way. If there was an option / referendum on whether to spend money on bombs then I'd vote on it too.
No, WAR. Not natural disasters, earthquake, famine, drought etc
Let a country through democracy or otherwise make it's own decisions - as we did in this country many moons ago.
Still waiting for your suggestions ronk
sars said:
Agree.
I asked :-
What do you see as an answer and how can the whole issue be diffused ?
You said :- leave them to their own devices and remain neutral .
We cannot now "remain neutral" can we?
I certainly dont have a solution, diplomacy is not my field but as a ciitizen of the world I don't see terrorism as the solution and I'm sure you don't either.
As a footnote,
I would like to remind you that we do still live in a democracy in the UK - it wasn't just "many moons ago" as you said.
We have the rule of law to thank for that and not the barrel of terrorists gun.
What do you see as an answer and how can the whole issue be diffused ?
You said :- leave them to their own devices and remain neutral .
We cannot now "remain neutral" can we?
I certainly dont have a solution, diplomacy is not my field but as a ciitizen of the world I don't see terrorism as the solution and I'm sure you don't either.
As a footnote,
I would like to remind you that we do still live in a democracy in the UK - it wasn't just "many moons ago" as you said.
We have the rule of law to thank for that and not the barrel of terrorists gun.
ronk said:
We aren't and haven't been remaining neutral - this is the problem.
We call it terrorism, as they call foreign soldiers intervening on their soil crusaders. As I've repeatedly said, all warfare in my opinion is wrong, but remember - one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. This is the mentality both sides have.
How would those in Northern Ireland during The Troubles in the 70s and 80s have reacted if the Syrian Army started bombing "strategic" targets around Dublin or Belfast? This is akin to the situation at the moment in Syria.
So what about the yazidi and the Shia (wrong brand) Muslims that if left alone would be wiped from the face of the earth by IS? They are in their own country and also being slaughtered. The reality is that Islamic extremism is just like nazi germany.
And the argument that we are attacking "their" country is rubbish. I don't think jihadi john was Syrian?? How about the young men from Cardiff that went to Syria? Were they Syrian?? Errrrr, no. The countless families that have gone to live in the "caliphate", are they Syrian, errrrrr, no.
The Syrian people can't think that badly of the west as they want to come here in their millions???
No doubt when the s**t hits the fan, these "Syrians" (cough) that have gone to Syria from the uk to join IS will come crawling back to the UK.
And the argument that we are attacking "their" country is rubbish. I don't think jihadi john was Syrian?? How about the young men from Cardiff that went to Syria? Were they Syrian?? Errrrr, no. The countless families that have gone to live in the "caliphate", are they Syrian, errrrrr, no.
The Syrian people can't think that badly of the west as they want to come here in their millions???
No doubt when the s**t hits the fan, these "Syrians" (cough) that have gone to Syria from the uk to join IS will come crawling back to the UK.
