ronk said:Can you really talk to these people?
What are their aims ?
pvr said:Stuart Truman said:Yes Europe needs better border controls, but we shouldn't blame refugees for this. The refugees are fleeing prom precisely the people who did this.
I would rephrase that as current refugees perhaps. If the previous migrations had not taken place, the current issues would not have happened.
In years to come, the same will probably be said about the current wave of migrants.
TitanTim said:Engaging in dialogue![]()
What like asking nicely please stop killing us.
Tim.
pvr said:ronk said:Can you really talk to these people?
What are their aims ?
To have the believes that they have, they are obviously not 100% with it mentally so you can talk until the cows come home.
Jihadi John had been spoken to, with zero result.
Their aim and believes are of all out war against those that are not "with" them, even within their own sections of religion that I don't even understand the minor differences between. They have no value for life in general or any morals, so you can not talk reasonably with them.
Perhaps if we tell them that every terrorist will be buried in pig skin that they might have a second thought.
.Moheddine said:pvr said:ronk said:Can you really talk to these people?
What are their aims ?
To have the believes that they have, they are obviously not 100% with it mentally so you can talk until the cows come home.
Jihadi John had been spoken to, with zero result.
Their aim and believes are of all out war against those that are not "with" them, even within their own sections of religion that I don't even understand the minor differences between. They have no value for life in general or any morals, so you can not talk reasonably with them.
Perhaps if we tell them that every terrorist will be buried in pig skin that they might have a second thought.
Live and let live. What they decide to do within their own country is up to them. Other countries thousands of miles away trying to police them with bombs and missiles is not the answer. Especially illegally without UN resolutions or sanctions.
Morals like invading a country to get oil and a different country to get opium?
That could all easily be applied to the situation in Northern Ireland. Until dialogue is had a vicious circle will remain.
ben g said:So you're saying if we left them to it, they'd live happily ever after and not bomb us?
Feck right off :lol: They want to take over the world. They don't want to live next to white (or any other colour, religion) western neighbours.
dans6490 said:.Moheddine said:pvr said:To have the believes that they have, they are obviously not 100% with it mentally so you can talk until the cows come home.
Jihadi John had been spoken to, with zero result.
Their aim and believes are of all out war against those that are not "with" them, even within their own sections of religion that I don't even understand the minor differences between. They have no value for life in general or any morals, so you can not talk reasonably with them.
Perhaps if we tell them that every terrorist will be buried in pig skin that they might have a second thought.
Live and let live. What they decide to do within their own country is up to them. Other countries thousands of miles away trying to police them with bombs and missiles is not the answer. Especially illegally without UN resolutions or sanctions.
Morals like invading a country to get oil and a different country to get opium?
That could all easily be applied to the situation in Northern Ireland. Until dialogue is had a vicious circle will remain.
I get your point regarding leave them alone in their own country but my issue with that is a large proportion of IS are not in their own country but I do feel we also have blood on our hands and that we really opened a can of worms. IS are radical extremists form the four corners of the world.I totally believe this wasps nest was caused by Blair/Bush and the WMD farce. Sometimes its better the devil you know (saddam Hussein). How Bush/Blair have avoided prison is beyond me, I guess it comes down to all the money they made for the members of the US government who have financial interests in arms companies and the construction companies who "won" (cough) the contracts to re-build.
On a side-note (I'm probably repeating myself) but what a coincidence that IS is selling oil and our petrol prices are at their lowest levels for years. Someone is buying the oil they produce???? It couldn't be could it?????
There also seems to be a lot of hypocrisy from all sides. As you say, innocent people are being killed in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria but that's ok?? This can only be fuelling IS following in these countries.
paulgs1000 said:Wasn't there an extremist that wanted to conquer the world and set up a society based upon his radical view with little morals or value for life? Many didn't see the threat until too late and many looked for appeasement through dialogue. It became a movement and was left to grow and strengthen.
Took a World War to deal with that threat . . . . .
ronk said:I don't think it's that simple .
TitanTim said:paulgs1000 said:Wasn't there an extremist that wanted to conquer the world and set up a society based upon his radical view with little morals or value for life? Many didn't see the threat until too late and many looked for appeasement through dialogue. It became a movement and was left to grow and strengthen.
Took a World War to deal with that threat . . . . .
Too right, I couldn't care less about the middle east in all honesty but the plain fact is these feckers have brought it into our back yard now so it's definitely our problem and good enough for me to be in their back yard and tackle them on the ground. Unfortunately a land war with Isis is the only way forward now and the sooner the better and hopefully once wiped out then over time any radilisation will be stopped. Our biggest mistake was pulling out of Iraq. In fact these countries once taken by the west should be westernised permanently.
Tim.