Another 'Terrorist attack' in Paris tonight.

ronk said:
Can you really talk to these people?
What are their aims ?

To have the believes that they have, they are obviously not 100% with it mentally so you can talk until the cows come home.

Jihadi John had been spoken to, with zero result.

Their aim and believes are of all out war against those that are not "with" them, even within their own sections of religion that I don't even understand the minor differences between. They have no value for life in general or any morals, so you can not talk reasonably with them.

Perhaps if we tell them that every terrorist will be buried in pig skin that they might have a second thought.
 
pvr said:
Stuart Truman said:
Yes Europe needs better border controls, but we shouldn't blame refugees for this. The refugees are fleeing prom precisely the people who did this.

I would rephrase that as current refugees perhaps. If the previous migrations had not taken place, the current issues would not have happened.

In years to come, the same will probably be said about the current wave of migrants.

We were both wrong, as they are amongst the current refugees.
 
I feel some sympathy with the genuine Muslim people who I think, will ultmately suffer because of the actions of these radical nutters!
 
My sympathy level was never great since breathing in the concrete dust on September 11th in New York.
 
TitanTim said:
Engaging in dialogue :rofl:

What like asking nicely please stop killing us.

Tim.

And the innocent caught up in the bombings in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan forcing them to migrate?!
 
pvr said:
ronk said:
Can you really talk to these people?
What are their aims ?

To have the believes that they have, they are obviously not 100% with it mentally so you can talk until the cows come home.

Jihadi John had been spoken to, with zero result.

Their aim and believes are of all out war against those that are not "with" them, even within their own sections of religion that I don't even understand the minor differences between. They have no value for life in general or any morals, so you can not talk reasonably with them.

Perhaps if we tell them that every terrorist will be buried in pig skin that they might have a second thought.

Live and let live. What they decide to do within their own country is up to them. Other countries thousands of miles away trying to police them with bombs and missiles is not the answer. Especially illegally without UN resolutions or sanctions.

Morals like invading a country to get oil and a different country to get opium?

That could all easily be applied to the situation in Northern Ireland. Until dialogue is had a vicious circle will remain.
 
So you're saying if we left them to it, they'd live happily ever after and not bomb us?

Feck right off :lol: They want to take over the world. They don't want to live next to white (or any other colour, religion) western neighbours.
 
Wasn't there an extremist that wanted to conquer the world and set up a society based upon his radical view with little morals or value for life? Many didn't see the threat until too late and many looked for appeasement through dialogue. It became a movement and was left to grow and strengthen.

Took a World War to deal with that threat . . . . .
 
How long do we have to give known extremists before we are allowed to put a bullet between their eyes?
Is it because it's not politically correct to wipe the scum out before they get blood on their hands, we have to wait until innocent people have died!!?

R.I.P all those poor innocent victims.
 
I can't vouch for the validity of this but it makes an intersting read:-

Every Muslim terrorist who has ever handled TNT, Nitro, Bullets, High Explosive Bombs, Rocket Launchers or been treated for cuts injury requiring stitches, or taken antibiotics, or Vitamin Capsules, has been contaminated with Pig Products.

The ironical part is that when a Suicide Bomber blows himself, up his body parts are impregnated with Gelatine and Glycerine from the explosive. Both Gelatine and Glycerine are manufactured from Pigs worldwide.. Ergo, they will never be accepted by Allah.

Some makers of cigarettes use hemoglobin from pig's blood in their filters. Apparently this element works as a sort of 'artificial lung' in the cigarette so, they claim, 'harmful reactions take place before the chemicals reach the user', (enter the Pig.)

Pig bone gelatine is used to help transport gunpowder or cordite into the bullet. Insulin, the blood-thinning drug heparin and pig heart valves all vital. The complex workings of the global food and processing industry have ensured that it is impossible to avoid pig altogether.

Pig product goes into liquorice and many other products. In this process, collagen is taken from the pig and is then converted into gelatine. This finds its way into numerous foodstuffs, where it acts as a gelling agent.

A number of medicines also contain pig gelatine - everything from painkillers to multivitamins. Fatty acids extracted from the bone fat of pigs are used in shampoos and conditioners to give them their shiny, pearl-like appearance. These acids can also be found in a number of body lotions, foundations and anti-wrinkle creams. Glycerine made from pork fat is an ingredient in many types of toothpaste.

There is no legal obligation for manufacturers to specify whether the gelatine they use is from a pig or another animal. When it is specified, it is often confusingly referred to as Suilline gelatine.
 
These "people" arent just murdering white christians..........they're murdering their own throughout the middle east , if anyone has a magic answer to this please share it now
 
They are not murdering their own exactly, they are murdering those from the same religion that have a 0.0001% different view from their own.

There is no magic single answer, but profiling that Israel uses seems to be fairly effective.

I am afraid that like it was years ago for the Irish in mainland UK who were always viewed with suspicion, the same will apply to muslims for some time to come.
 
Moheddine said:
pvr said:
ronk said:
Can you really talk to these people?
What are their aims ?

To have the believes that they have, they are obviously not 100% with it mentally so you can talk until the cows come home.

Jihadi John had been spoken to, with zero result.

Their aim and believes are of all out war against those that are not "with" them, even within their own sections of religion that I don't even understand the minor differences between. They have no value for life in general or any morals, so you can not talk reasonably with them.

Perhaps if we tell them that every terrorist will be buried in pig skin that they might have a second thought.

Live and let live. What they decide to do within their own country is up to them. Other countries thousands of miles away trying to police them with bombs and missiles is not the answer. Especially illegally without UN resolutions or sanctions.

Morals like invading a country to get oil and a different country to get opium?

That could all easily be applied to the situation in Northern Ireland. Until dialogue is had a vicious circle will remain.
.

I get your point regarding leave them alone in their own country but my issue with that is a large proportion of IS are not in their own country but I do feel we also have blood on our hands and that we really opened a can of worms. IS are radical extremists form the four corners of the world.I totally believe this wasps nest was caused by Blair/Bush and the WMD farce. Sometimes its better the devil you know (saddam Hussein). How Bush/Blair have avoided prison is beyond me, I guess it comes down to all the money they made for the members of the US government who have financial interests in arms companies and the construction companies who "won" (cough) the contracts to re-build.

On a side-note (I'm probably repeating myself) but what a coincidence that IS is selling oil and our petrol prices are at their lowest levels for years. Someone is buying the oil they produce???? It couldn't be could it?????

There also seems to be a lot of hypocrisy from all sides. As you say, innocent people are being killed in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria but that's ok?? This can only be fuelling IS following in these countries.
 
ben g said:
So you're saying if we left them to it, they'd live happily ever after and not bomb us?

Feck right off :lol: They want to take over the world. They don't want to live next to white (or any other colour, religion) western neighbours.

Is that straight from the Daily Mail?! :lol:
 
dans6490 said:
Moheddine said:
pvr said:
To have the believes that they have, they are obviously not 100% with it mentally so you can talk until the cows come home.

Jihadi John had been spoken to, with zero result.

Their aim and believes are of all out war against those that are not "with" them, even within their own sections of religion that I don't even understand the minor differences between. They have no value for life in general or any morals, so you can not talk reasonably with them.

Perhaps if we tell them that every terrorist will be buried in pig skin that they might have a second thought.

Live and let live. What they decide to do within their own country is up to them. Other countries thousands of miles away trying to police them with bombs and missiles is not the answer. Especially illegally without UN resolutions or sanctions.

Morals like invading a country to get oil and a different country to get opium?

That could all easily be applied to the situation in Northern Ireland. Until dialogue is had a vicious circle will remain.
.

I get your point regarding leave them alone in their own country but my issue with that is a large proportion of IS are not in their own country but I do feel we also have blood on our hands and that we really opened a can of worms. IS are radical extremists form the four corners of the world.I totally believe this wasps nest was caused by Blair/Bush and the WMD farce. Sometimes its better the devil you know (saddam Hussein). How Bush/Blair have avoided prison is beyond me, I guess it comes down to all the money they made for the members of the US government who have financial interests in arms companies and the construction companies who "won" (cough) the contracts to re-build.

On a side-note (I'm probably repeating myself) but what a coincidence that IS is selling oil and our petrol prices are at their lowest levels for years. Someone is buying the oil they produce???? It couldn't be could it?????

There also seems to be a lot of hypocrisy from all sides. As you say, innocent people are being killed in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria but that's ok?? This can only be fuelling IS following in these countries.


God knows (perhaps even Allah) what's really going on in the world. Some day in many years to come an historian will look back and pin it all on Bush and Blair. I cringed at the shock and awe operation that day. Huge mistake.
 
paulgs1000 said:
Wasn't there an extremist that wanted to conquer the world and set up a society based upon his radical view with little morals or value for life? Many didn't see the threat until too late and many looked for appeasement through dialogue. It became a movement and was left to grow and strengthen.

Took a World War to deal with that threat . . . . .

Too right, I couldn't care less about the middle east in all honesty but the plain fact is these feckers have brought it into our back yard now so it's definitely our problem and good enough for me to be in their back yard and tackle them on the ground. Unfortunately a land war with Isis is the only way forward now and the sooner the better and hopefully once wiped out then over time any radilisation will be stopped. Our biggest mistake was pulling out of Iraq. In fact these countries once taken by the west should be westernised permanently.

Tim.
 
I don't think it's that simple. If you remember we asked Herr Hiitler to stop being nasty!
He was a Christian fella from a civilised European county that had generally similar values to us - these radicals are poles apart from our culture and values.
 
TitanTim said:
paulgs1000 said:
Wasn't there an extremist that wanted to conquer the world and set up a society based upon his radical view with little morals or value for life? Many didn't see the threat until too late and many looked for appeasement through dialogue. It became a movement and was left to grow and strengthen.

Took a World War to deal with that threat . . . . .

Too right, I couldn't care less about the middle east in all honesty but the plain fact is these feckers have brought it into our back yard now so it's definitely our problem and good enough for me to be in their back yard and tackle them on the ground. Unfortunately a land war with Isis is the only way forward now and the sooner the better and hopefully once wiped out then over time any radilisation will be stopped. Our biggest mistake was pulling out of Iraq. In fact these countries once taken by the west should be westernised permanently.

Tim.

I think you may have contradicted your own argument there when you added that last sentence!
 
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