Another Convertible top problem can anyone help!!?

Hello all, i'm hoping for a bit of invaluable geeky knowledge about the soft top electric system. Like many others I have made use of ShipKillers great walk through this week in order to replace the motor on my e85 soft top due to water ingress. Whilst doing the motor I opted to purchase a second hand roof from a 2004 vehicle to replace the worn one off my 2008 vehicle!? yep - true story! anyway the replacement roof on the face of things looks identical.

Having got the new hydraulic motor working fine with the 2004 roof via direct contact with the battery, both raising and dropping very smoothly I sealed the motor housing and fitted into the vehicle.

After connecting all relevant wires to vehicles loom, I lodged something in the microswitch in the boot ready for a test. Initially when the pressing the open button the light in the cab dimmed as if there was a short circuit etc but there was no movement. This didn't happen again, following this when the soft top was put in the up position and the unlock button was pressed the upper latches unlock, and a solid red light is present but there is no roof movement, just a faint relay click from the glove box. If i manually move the roof down and then press the same unlock button again the front electric motor again wurrs and the roof locks into place as it should and all lights go off. However no window movement at either of the above stages and no hydraulic motor movement.

The close button does absolutely nothing, no window movement, no latch movement and no hydraulic motor activity regardless of roof position.

Before removal of old roof all electrics seemed fine, roof would unlatch without problem, motor would try and lower but was very weak, then would lock down, and would attempt to rise when close button was pressed and would lock in correctly if helped up manually, windows would also drop and rise correctly.

I am absolutely at a loss, I'm not sure if the sensors may be different between the different ages of roof? I am also struggling to work out how the motor receives power in order to test connections, the wire which receives the motor cable just seems to just attach to a metal plate at the top of the hydraulic ram which can be seem looking down into the drainage channel with the roof down. I am loathed to take it all out and swap to the other roof to test as it took me two hours to seal up the motor housing!

Many Thanks To All


Richard
 
Sorry cant help with the roof but its a very bad idea to display your email address, I would remove it and rely on the sites PM/eMail function before you start getting offers you cant refuse from Nigeria etc
 
nfarmer said:
Sorry cant help with the roof but its a very bad idea to display your email address, I would remove it and rely on the sites PM/eMail function before you start getting offers you cant refuse from Nigeria etc

Agree - e mail address removed :thumbsup:

The purpose of the forum is to encourage an open response so that others who may have a similar issue can benefit from any responses given :)
 
nfarmer said:
Sorry cant help with the roof but its a very bad idea to display your email address, I would remove it and rely on the sites PM/eMail function before you start getting offers you cant refuse from Nigeria etc

Thank you both amendment made! ANYONE?
 
Firstly the windows movement after closing if they are fully open will occur maybe after about ten seconds or so after the roof has latched closed, are you allowing enough time for this to occur.

Secondly it sound from your description that you indeed have caused a short In the supply side or indeed the earthing of the motor. Has your sealing of the motor limited the earthing and therefore preventing the motor fromrecieving enough current to operate.
 
Did you check and re-check the roof fuses in the glovebox?
Recheck the connectors in the door pillars, I know they're unique but make absolutely sure they're all pushed home.
When the lights dim on operation, is this with the engine running or just off the battery?
 
Georgio said:
Did you check and re-check the roof fuses in the glovebox?
Recheck the connectors in the door pillars, I know they're unique but make absolutely sure they're all pushed home.
When the lights dim on operation, is this with the engine running or just off the battery?


Thanks so much for your reply, I feel I should share my solution for anyone who may happen upon this in the future.

As mentioned in your post, I also understood all connectors between the roof and the wiring loom in the vehicle to be individual, making reassembly impossible to get wrong.

With the scramble of wires behind the door pillars I unplugged all connectors, including from the white box behind the passenger side door pillar to be sure none would catch when lifting the roof out, assured in the knowledge all would slot back together. This included a black two pin connector plugged into a white block connector.

This 2 pin black connector (meant for the power feed to the roof motor) is exactly the same as the two pin block which runs from the metal contact plate on top of the hydraulic ram which moves up and down to operate the roof (I believe it is an anti trap system).

Sods law of course I got these two connectors the wrong way round, connecting the motors positive feed directly to the earthed anti trap wire, and the earth feed for the anti trap to the motors power (hence no power to the motor and blowing the f55 fuse under the dash)

I hope this can help anyone who has similar misfortune, although the chances are very slim! I swapped the offending wires round and voila worked perfectly !

Many thanks again for all responses
 
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