And about time to, lazy bas***ds

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Kryton said:
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This will amount to zero change

How can it when companies aren't taking on new staff?
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I know of a large construction company that is in the £1m to £60M contract range and they always require site labourers for the minimum wage, the only people that turn up for interview are Eastern Europeans (who have all their documents) who are so keen to start work it's unbelievable, they are conscientious workers, polite, and will do any job without moaning about it, and also when it starts to rain they just carry on, unlike the indigenous population who run for cover.

At every site Immigrants call in daily asking for work, never does a British DSS recipient ever call in!!

I think the UK has been ruined by uncontrolled immigration, however the Immigrants that are the hardest workers are the Polish and the Albanians and I'd employ those every time than 90% of the British DSS brigade.

It's about time the British DSS got off their fat backsides and turned daytime TV off and started looking for work, because if you want a job I can tell you it's out there.

Ah, that feels better :)
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I wonder how many contributing to this debate would work for the minimum wage?.
Companies like the one mentioned above see this as a good time to screw the people at the lower end of the labour market.
 
That is why there is the minimum wage as it is a minimum wage type job they are doing.
 
Hmm , seems the majority of Zed drivers are for Laissez faire , and the marginalised can rot , one must think why these individuals are long term DSS, are they constructs of the state ? or is their own doing ? A hugely complex topic , solving the problems of society .

Socialist ; men working for the good of man , dont see much wrong with that . Capitalism ; Hmmm , grab as much as one can and f*** everyone else .

And I tottaly agree with Maxman , companies are ripping the piss at this time .
 
Gerry said:
Hmm , seems the majority of Zed drivers are for Laissez faire , and the marginalised can rot , one must think why these individuals are long term DSS, are they constructs of the state ? or is their own doing ? A hugely complex topic , solving the problems of society .

Socialist ; men working for the good of man , dont see much wrong with that . Capitalism ; Hmmm , grab as much as one can and f*** everyone else .

And I tottaly agree with Maxman , companies are ripping the piss at this time .
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+1 with Maxman
 
I would work for minimum wage if it was the only work I could get. I agree that there are plenty of jobs out there - just not always the ones that appeal. Beggars can't (or shouldn't) be choosers.
 
My first wage was £2.50 a week, the dole would pay if my memory serves me right £10 a week, not for one moment did i consider the fact that my wage was piss poor and would just about pay for my bus fare to get to work, the fact that i was working meant everything, it was a work ethic taught to me by my parents.
I have just watched Bomber Command on the TV which my late father took part in, 56.000 airmen lost their lives i wonder what they would think of a country that rewards the feckless in such a way as it does today.
 
Gerry said:
Socialist ; men working for the good of man , dont see much wrong with that . Capitalism ; Hmmm , grab as much as one can and f*** everyone else .
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That's funny because to me Socialism means dragging everyone down to the lowest common denominator to prevent "elitism". In other words penalise those who work hard and do well and reward those who don't.
 
Most of us probably earn good money, listening to the banter on here we all talk about the stuff we buy, even if just mods for the car.

Recently I've seen a few people on here talk about having lost their jobs, some lucky enough to find one quickly. So here's the scenario:

You've been in a well paid job, maybe £50K plus, but you're employer's share price has dropped and to get it back up again they publicly cut costs. That means you and a few others just lost your jobs. Oh look, the state just cut back on all the scroungers so you're no longer entitled to benefits and the gov min that your employer paid to get shot of you isn't going to last long but you're out of work, ergo you're a scrounger so you can go screw yourself. Yes, there's a chance that you'll find another job, but in an area where there's more demand than supply you might be looking at a month per £10K of salary expectation to find something. So now you're taking a min wage job to keep busy and keep your pride.Looks like the Zed will have to go to make ends meet, maybe make the mortgage payments for another few months. Best think about putting the house on the market to make as much money as possible rather than see it repossessed and sold for half it's value to a mate of the mortgage company.

Yes there are scroungers out there, but the biggest, greediest, most blatant scroungers out there are all in Westminster and run some of the businesses that don't pay their fair share of taxes. Many of the owners/CEOs pay less tax in real terms than some of their lowest paid workers. Not many of them have the experience of "real" work but they pontificate about all of us. Cameron and his shagwit chancellor are both trust fund babies and wouldn't know hardship if you spelled it for them. Quite frankly, they can all go and f**k themselves.

This is a good article from a great journalist... http://www.fleetstreetfox.com/2012/06/these-people.html
 
I wrote a massive diatribe for this thread, and then realised all I would say is, if you want something in life, you have to earn it, money, respect, love, they all have to be earned.

And for those who despair of todays youth, I would say I know many youngsters who are hard working credits to society, it's just that because they are busy working and not moaning, they don't get much press.
 
Stuart that's a very simplistic view. Nobody said the unemployed are ALL scroungers. The point is that there is a generation of people who have never had a job, never intend to get one and just work the system. It's these individuals that this thread refers to.

The simple fact is we have lived beyond our means and we cannot any longer. Now that means many things, as you say collecting taxes more effectively from the super-wealthy (but that in itself will be nigh on impossible without international cooperation), reducing state expenditure, getting people off the long-term unemployed/unemployable list, training and educating our people better, starting to offer apprenticeships and making things again etc etc. It also means that people will have to accept that in an increasingly competitive, global economy that the benefits and safety net that the state has previously provided won't be set as high in future.
 
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Stuart that's a very simplistic view. Nobody said the unemployed are ALL scroungers. The point is that there is a generation of people who have never had a job, never intend to get one and just work the system. It's these individuals that this thread refers to.

The simple fact is we have lived beyond our means and we cannot any longer. Now that means many things, as you say collecting taxes more effectively from the super-wealthy (but that in itself will be nigh on impossible without international cooperation), reducing state expenditure, getting people off the long-term unemployed/unemployable list, training and educating our people better, starting to offer apprenticeships and making things again etc etc. It also means that people will have to accept that in an increasingly competitive, global economy that the benefits and safety net that the state has previously provided won't be set as high in future.
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+1

I know this will sound controversial, but I would like to see MPs paid a lot more money, they would have to be full time, and the major parties state funded, to try and reduce the lobbying, I think it would attract a much higher calibre of person, as I have to agree with Stuart, many MPs really are pretty useless she it comes to real life.
 
Drshemming said:
I know this will sound controversial, but I would like to see MPs paid a lot more money, they would have to be full time, and the major parties state funded, to try and reduce the lobbying, I think it would attract a much higher calibre of person, as I have to agree with Stuart, many MPs really are pretty useless she it comes to real life.
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I agree with this. We get the MP's we deserve. It isn't a well paid job for the responsibility that goes with it. You are supposed to do it for a relative pittance compared to what you might be able to earn in the private sector at a similar level because you're a public servant. Any wonder the House of Commons is full of dross?
 
This sort of debate always makes me sign..we always end up catorgising people..ie lazy dolies, fat cats, capitalists, socialists.. when the truth is people are all different with different expectaions in life...some leave school and expect to go to jail at some point and some expect to go to uni, some expect to have a career and some expect to work on the side, some expect to have a mortage and some expect a bed sit and i think that kinda sums up our society...we all have our goals and some of us rise above what we deem to be "our lot" and some just fail to achieve the minimum expectaion. The class system still exsists..its just not defined with an accent anymore but its still a struggle to achieve beyond the level that society has deemed appropriate for you.
 
i think that half the issue is socialism has morphed into a redistribution of the rewards of production. from recollection it was intended to be a redistribution of the assets that fueled production.

self respect in this country went out the window a long time ago. to be replaced by self defence. not sure who decided it was fair and reasonable that whole areas of society are now able to live acceptable lives without ever having to lift a finger in work. let alone sacrifice any of their time. and a lot of these same people appear to reserve the right to treat others who have worked and done well with villification.

i guess it's because they take for granted how wealth is generated, and just assume if you have a nice house or car, you have found a better government loophole they they have.
 
Gerry said:
Socialist ; men working for the good of man , dont see much wrong with that . Capitalism ; Hmmm , grab as much as one can and f*** everyone else .
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Edit!!!!!
Don't get me started.
 
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