Alpina Roadster S

Mr Tidy said:
From what I can make out less than 200 Alpinas came to the UK.
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There weren't many of any incarnations of Alpinas sold, in the UK or anywhere else. There was a very good reason for that. The selling price! :wink:

My B3 'biturbo' cost £47k new in 2008. :o
It had very little cost options too. I know cos the original sales invoice came with the car.
 
Pondrew said:
There weren't many of any incarnations of Alpinas sold, in the UK or anywhere else. There was a very good reason for that. The selling price!
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True, but the minging graphics and wheels probably didn't help!
 
Mr Tidy said:
You may need to be patient!

From what I can make out less than 200 Alpinas came to the UK.
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Of the 367 produced, there were only 167 RHD models made for the UK and we estimate that there are only about 100-120 still up and running.
 
Do you know the split wit the 'S' and non 'S'? I always thought that any non 'S' was not worth having.
 
They were all of the 'S' variant. The only differences were the 'Lux' and 'non Lux' versions.
 
Pondrew said:
Mr Tidy said:
From what I can make out less than 200 Alpinas came to the UK.
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There weren't many of any incarnations of Alpinas sold, in the UK or anywhere else. There was a very good reason for that. The selling price! :wink:

My B3 'biturbo' cost £47k new in 2008. :o
It had very little cost options too. I know cos the original sales invoice came with the car.
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My e34 M5 cost £52k new...in 1994 :D
 
Gee said:
They were all of the 'S' variant. The only differences were the 'Lux' and 'non Lux' versions.
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Yep - you are right, I meant the Lux bit
 
Mynewz4 said:
Next question is who on here has one for sale or is considering selling? I've seen the ones on autotrader etc.
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This one is very well known on the forum and seems to be a realistic price..
https://z4-forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=144021
 
Number5 & Pondy have summed it up nicely.

Smooth, lots of torque, very tractable engine, power to weight ratio that is very close to the M… won’t be left behind on the road, and I wouldn’t want to track mine. I would think only a very low % of M’s get tracked anyway, so which is faster on the track is ‘pub chat’.

Properly rare, makes you feel special, more than the sum of its parts. Cheap-ish road tax, sensible service and parts costs.

Is it worth the significant premium over an Si, that’s a very personal thing but it is to me personally.
 
True-Blue said:
Number5 & Pondy have summed it up nicely.

Smooth, lots of torque, very tractable engine, power to weight ratio that is very close to the M… won’t be left behind on the road, and I wouldn’t want to track mine. I would think only a very low % of M’s get tracked anyway, so which is faster on the track is ‘pub chat’.

Properly rare, makes you feel special, more than the sum of its parts. Cheap-ish road tax, sensible service and parts costs.

Is it worth the significant premium over an Si, that’s a very personal thing but it is to me personally.
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It is special, no doubt about it, but the price differential is a bit steep with the one linked to.

My 3.0si also came from Aberdeen, also 91k on it, same colour combo but I paid 6 for mine whilst the Alpina is up for over 16. For that type of upgrade, the difference in cost is too steep.
 
pvr said:
True-Blue said:
Number5 & Pondy have summed it up nicely.

Smooth, lots of torque, very tractable engine, power to weight ratio that is very close to the M… won’t be left behind on the road, and I wouldn’t want to track mine. I would think only a very low % of M’s get tracked anyway, so which is faster on the track is ‘pub chat’.

Properly rare, makes you feel special, more than the sum of its parts. Cheap-ish road tax, sensible service and parts costs.

Is it worth the significant premium over an Si, that’s a very personal thing but it is to me personally.
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It is special, no doubt about it, but the price differential is a bit steep with the one linked to.

My 3.0si also came from Aberdeen, also 91k on it, same colour combo but I paid 6 for mine whilst the Alpina is up for over 16. For that type of upgrade, the difference in cost is too steep.
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Apples and Oranges…
 
pvr said:
It is special, no doubt about it, but the price differential is a bit steep with the one linked to.
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But maybe the prices should be compared to the 'M'? If you do that, the prices are around the same.
Besides, the Roadster S was probably £15k more when new than an Si.

As Mrs Artois (or Stella to me) once famously said; they are "reassuringly expensive". :D
 
Pondrew said:
pvr said:
It is special, no doubt about it, but the price differential is a bit steep with the one linked to.
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But maybe the prices should be compared to the 'M'? If you do that, the prices are around the same.
Besides, the Roadster S was probably £15k more when new than an Si.

As Mrs Artois (or Stella to me) once famously said; they are "reassuringly expensive". :D
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In reality, if any E85 achieves true ‘classic’ status it’ll be the Alpina.

Only 167 made in RHD for the uk, circa 400 globally, hand-built engine, individually numbered etc.

Can’t compare an Alpina to an Si… totally different ownership proposition.

I’ve stopped looking at Z4 adverts, other than the odd one here and there that people have linked to… and then it’s only out of curiosity
 
The one linked has a very high mileage, but it is priced at models with around the 65k miles.

When you see an M advert with those miles, it is substantially cheaper than a lower miles version.
 
pvr said:
The one linked has a very high mileage, but it is priced at models with around the 65k miles.

When you see an M advert with those miles, it is substantially cheaper than a lower miles version.
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Undoubtedly M’s do command lower prices than Alpina’s (E85’s). It’s a terrible time of year to be trying to sell any 2 seater sports car IMHO, let alone M’s and Alpina’s. :cry: Probably a good time of year to buy, if you can find the right car.

I’m not sure closing in on 100k miles is ‘high’ but obviously this does impact the value of M’s and Alpina’s more than Si’s (comparatively). I’m not sure how many Z4M’s there are to choose from, but I’m fairly sure it was a lot more than 167. You might be right, the asking price might be a touch ambitious as we approach December, but it looks a cracking example (I prefer Blue or Silver, but I like the black & red leather).

Then you’ve got the road tax (most M’s being £700p.a.), fuel economy (My Alpina isn’t much thirstier than a 3.0Si in reality). Consumables, brake disks for a Z4M are much more expensive than an Alpina for example.

The issue with Alpina pricing is it’s an old car, and there are so few for sale at any point in time that comparables are really difficult. Yes, it’s a big wedge for an E85, but there only around 120 +/- left.

That particular car has forum history for about 15 of its years… all points worthy of consideration :thumbsup:
 
Like for like, the M has always fetched more money. It is generally a couple of thousand more expensive having looked at both of them over the last 10 years or so and seeing the price trends. The Alpina is cheaper to own, that is for sure, as the servicing costs are the same as the 3.0 (dealer prices at least) and the road tax the same. Having had an M, I would like to have an Alpina as well as it is very different. I don’t need the lsd that the M has as I would not use the car like
I do my Porsche.

I did briefly look at that Alpina but as the mileage is way too high for me and certainly my for that price, I will keep an eye over time for a lower mileage one (and only a garaged model)
 
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