Air Con Recharge

Has anyone done a DIY air conditioning recharge and is it worth the effort. I see you can get a complete recharge kit (enough for 3 car recharges on average) for about £70 which seems to compare with a single recharge cost from most garages
 
Usually plenty of Groupon offers for aircon recharge. Even the basic garage machine is miles better and safer than a DIY kit :thumbsup:
 
I've only needed A/C recharged twice in over 15 years (the 3rd occasion was because of a leaking condensor, so a recharge wouldn't have done anything)!

Last time was a couple of weeks ago and it cost £65, so paying £70 to do it myself when I'd be clueless doesn't seem like a good idea. :roll:
 
Whats the point in buying kit for 3 recharges when it is done very rarely and it will need to be vac down to ensure the system is free of moisture and I am certain its illegal to just let the gas into the atmosphere - that's why garages techs are "F" gas trained.
 
Aircon shouldn’t need a recharge. It’s a closed system. If you are constantly losing gas then you need it sorted. If it’s just been so long and you want to recharge it and change the oil, do it in a garage that vacuums it properly.
Speaking as a former A/c man. ;)
 
ori said:
Aircon shouldn’t need a recharge. It’s a closed system. If you are constantly losing gas then you need it sorted. If it’s just been so long and you want to recharge it and change the oil, do it in a garage that vacuums it properly.
Speaking as a former A/c man. ;)

That’s not the first time I’ve heard that statement either. :thumbsup:
 
It is a closed system but also has a mechanical seal on the compressor, so open driven, which relies on oil lubrication to seal it and periods of inactivity can cause it to leak. The same with rubber hoses and o ring seals . These can cause issues with ageing .
If you have a continual issue with leaks then a pressure test is the real way to deal with this. Slower leaks are usually on the evaporator / low pressure side and faster leaks on the condenser / high pressure side.
It would interesting to see how you change the oil on a compressor on a car. Draining oil and refilling has to be precise as overfilling can cause hydraulic issues and compressor failures. The issue with garages injecting dye and oil every time they do a recharge is crazy. They dont know how many times this has been done and a recipe for disaster.
All staff using refrigerants 'should' be Fgas certified. We have lads who work for us and although they have experience for working on A/C systems wont be allowed to install , attach gauges or decant refrigerants without being overviewed by a qualified engineer until they have passed. I have 1 lad in next week for his week of training. But and this is a big but, the geezers at kwik places have the required certification to use refrigerants but that doesnt make them a qualified and life experienced engineer to understand the real way all the components work and what to expect when something goes wrong. Sadly these 'budget' recharges mean feck all. Yes, shout that you had your car recharged at a local £30 a job place and it works. It may well do, but correct methods employed will mean it is leak free and safe to use and they wont offer this. As for the buy a bottle job and install, then they dont mention fitting without air and moisture in the hose lines and that can cause many issues, let alone frost burn and environmental issues from mal using. I am sure some have 'vented' into the atmosphere and think 'don't care' , but this is a part of the larger scale of the world around us. We are getting cleaner with refrigerants , but some of our cars are using old skool stuff which isnt as green.
Please, please think of the environment, long term value and use a company that knows what it is doing than just a bloke with a machine and a £30 bargain every year . We all like a bargain and while it may seem a value thing to do. if it doesn't work, they would be clueless to follow the process of diagnosing the fault as not all cars need recharging and could still be a simple fault, such as a relay, fuse or control that was the real problem. They would potentially still want paying even if the recharge doesn't work.
 
Well said. It should be done properly. Also I always tell people that if you want your A/c to last, use it all year round so that oil circulates properly and doesn’t dry the seals.

Many moons ago I bought an old car and wanted the a/c checked for leaks. Went to quick fit as I had a voucher and thought what the hell……he tested it and filled it with gas. He then said to me “depending how much you use it, you may need to come again as you use gas when using the aircon”.
I didn’t bother explaining to him how aircon works.
 
Excellent feedback on the seriousness of getting it done properly, I guess DIY A/C recharging isn't the done thing. I have used Halfords in the past and they appear to have the all the equipment and did explain in detail what they were doing at each stage and why they did it.
 
I have always used my aircon for at least 15mins per week during the winter to ensure everything is lubricated correctly.

Air con is not truly a sealed system - I worked for an HVAC manufacture and probably one of the biggest in the UK and the systems are manufactured and sent to vehicle manufactures who install / assemble the system, they vac it down and fill it so not a truly sealed system as they can make errors as well as other components being faulty.

Sealed system is pre-charged at the assembly site, fully tested and then installed on the vehicle - see indel B sleeping well for a sealed system.

However, A/C should not leak unless a pipe / joint / o'ring has failed and it will need a diagnostic to check to find this - R134a is pretty bad and R1234yf GWP is much better but still not great - CO2 is the way to go and the coach industry is heading that way.
 
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