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original guvnor said:
markeg said:
Oh, and as for Bradford - try Mumbai, Moscow or even Brussels - all far worse :D

Can't comment on Mumbai because I've never visited but the other two are light years ahead of Bradford Mark!!

Sorry to divert from IAM thread! :oops:

:lol: must have got a lot worse than when i was last there, OG - mind you, that was in the late 80's, travelled in from Leeds (where I was at Uni) for some of teh best curries going :thumbsup:

Oh, and Mumbai - driving there has a rule of "might is right". Cars drive on paths when roads are blocked (pedestrians are expected to just get out of teh way), tuk-tuks make way for cars, car for lorries... and everyone makes way for the cows :) . It sort of works in a weird way, but coming face to face with a lorry on your side of the road is a bit unnerving!
 
Z4M-2006 said:
The IAM wont teach you that Pete...

Book on a few track days... :thumbsup:

Hmm - I can see how a track day (with the right instructor) will help you get the best out of your ///M Taz but don't agree that IAMS wont teach you how to keep up with other ///Ms on the road.

It's the on the road bit that's crucial as well as the skills used on the track. As you've invested in a higher performance Zed it makes sense to improve your general standard of road craft and particularly observation, positioning and responses.

I came from a background of long term motorcycling and a love of driving which led me to read, study, try out and practice anything I could find or heard about on driving and riding. I thought my road skills were good but realised I was making some poor decisions as I got older, so invested in the IAMS Skills for Life course. Cost me £138 and you could have as many sessions as you needed for preparation for the advanced driving test (assessed by police drivers in our area).

Thinking my skills were good I was impressed by my observer who's skills were at another level - particularly in terms of reading the road and setting the car up for all potential and real scenarios. Quite technical in parts - he had me download graphs of the bhp and torque graphs of my MX5 quite early on to justify some of the gear choices made, that I questioned, for example.

At the time I was commuting from Newcastle to Manchester regularly and found the trip stressful and frustrating especially as traffic got busier towards Manchester.
Well I can tell you my commute was transformed by the skills learnt and encouraged - unbelievably no stress and so relaxed as everything happened ahead of me as expected (a lot of it had to do with positioning and distance but it really was a revelation and made a massive difference).

Remember - I thought I was a 'good' driver but I was willing to learn and my goodness what I learnt I think has saved at least 2 potential accidents (both due to positioning on corners) and made me a safer, faster driver (using safe lines taught for cornering which improved sightlines - hence the 2 accidents avoided) braking steering and acceleration due to gear use. The IAMS overtaking system is a life saver and much much safer than my previous approach and although I thought I read the road well (you have to to survive on a motorcycle), the course had those skills honed to a far higher level. You have a perception of how you drive but there is nothing like someone skilled,assessing what your doing, making suggestions and justifying those improvements to make progress.

This makes me sound a lousy driver before but I don't really think that is the case (Steph will say she felt safe on the back of all our bikes and as a passenger in our sport cars and she's no mean driver and no fool) it's just that the thought and application put into the system worked for me and crucially gave me a method and skill I could apply to allow me to drive faster but more importantly safer at that higher speed. It was like I had the skills which I could then apply at a higher level once this was shown and encouraged - it all started to make sense (though at first I questioned some of the things put across it came to make sense and worked for me)

So. it transformed my long distance commute in heavy traffic and allowed me to use my Zed' potential at increased speed more effectively and crucially more safely.

Have to say I thought my observer was outstanding and a real enthusiast (Subaru driver) and although it's a system that's taught,I think I benefitted from having this particular guy.

I'm certain track sessions will introduce you to making the most of your ///M

The IAMs course helped me to improve a wider range of skills for the road.

:driving: :thumbsup:
 
given the choice of a track day oR IAM, i think the IAM sounds more appealing, the M is plenty fast enough so i don't need to make it go faster, my driving skills can always be improved
 
thepits said:
p.s. I must be an advanced driver ............

I'm over 60!

:rofl:

Advancing at least!!

I wouldn't mind looking at IAM, nearly did it with the trike, might have a look again for the car. I did a track day and it was really good fun but not much really related to the road. I wouldn't drive on the road like I did on the track, suicide.
 
Taz said:
given the choice of a track day oR IAM, i think the IAM sounds more appealing, the M is plenty fast enough so i don't need to make it go faster, my driving skills can always be improved
To my mind they're not exclusive but complimentary.
RoadCraft (IAM/RoSPA AD) = driving safely in a brisk manner, maximising sight lines etc.
Track tutoring = understanding how to treat the car to maximise your grip/traction for a given a situation
Car control = understanding the limits of the car & how the car reacts to inputs

With track tutoring you learn how to maximise what grip you have so you can make the most of those safety limits & when you add in the car control understanding you then have more options to get out of trouble & so improve your safety limits allowing you to drive faster still & remain safe. Put roadcraft on the top to help you maintain the best sight lines, understand where to put your car on the road & improve your observational skills you can then use the other 2 to give an extra level of safety on the road. :thumbsup:
 
techathy said:
Taz said:
given the choice of a track day oR IAM, i think the IAM sounds more appealing, the M is plenty fast enough so i don't need to make it go faster, my driving skills can always be improved
To my mind they're not exclusive but complimentary.
RoadCraft (IAM/RoSPA AD) = driving safely in a brisk manner, maximising sight lines etc.
Track tutoring = understanding how to treat the car to your grip/traction for a given a situation
Car control = understanding the limits of the car & how the car reacts to inputs

With track tutoring you learn how to maximise what grip you have so you can make the most of those safety limits & when you add in the car control understanding you then have more options to get out of trouble & so improve your safety limits allowing you to drive faster still & remain safe. Put roadcraft on the top to help you maintain the best sight lines, understand where to put your car on the road & improve your observational skills you can then use the other 2 to give an extra level of safety on the road. :thumbsup:

+1 :thumbsup:

:driving: :thumbsup:
 
I done a Bikesafe course with Fife Constabulary a few years ago.
It was more of an R1 forum meet with the course an added extra.
It was a good day and learned a few things I didnt know regarding road signage.
One of the things I didnt agree with though is they said to ride aggressively as when you do this on the motorway in the outside lane people will move out of your way.
What that meant was ride quickly up behind someone so they know you are travelling faster instead of closing the gap slowly.
 
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