Advanced Driver training / accreditation..
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B21 said:
It's not necessarily about driving diffent vehicles etc,more focus is on improving skill levels,reading the road,and learning things like if trees and telegraph poles ahead/in the distance, are following a certain "path or route" ,then it's safe to deduct the road takes the same path or shape,as theres unlikely to be a Tree in middle of the Road (a planted one I mean,not a fallen one) and learning things like if you're near a Farm assume that you'll have the distinct possibility of Farm traffic/people or animals etc,so speed should be accordingly slowed down.
More about improving skill to prevent accidents Peter.
The IAM and Rospa syllabus hasn't changed that much,as I did mine 10 years apart or more (at 17+28?)and wasn't any different, just had to re do it to allow me to do tutoring,which everyone knows is Voluntary.
It may have been tweeked over the years,but base principles remain.
Your report reads like that of a fairly ok first drive out assessment and pretty average stuff.
Minus the usual ones who seriously exceed or ignore speed limits,or whose observations are woeful :rofl:
It's a reasonable assessment tbh,if a bit vague or non offensive as others have pointed out.
Most peoples "faults" are not reading the road far enough ahead,looking at only what's immediately in front of them,or reacting to the car/vehicle immediately in front of themselves brake lights rather than looking through or round that car,etc to see what the vehicles further on are doing.....and being aware of potential hazards etc.
I found all mine very worthwhile, even if some of it clashed with what track/race driver tuition/courses were teaching me,lol
B21 said:Mr Tidy said:I admire you for signing up, but you really should have done it in the Yellow Peril!
I must admit the only thing I have done since passing my test in 1976 is an ARDS test around 1999, but at least I passed.
Sadly circumstances prevented me from ever needing a Competition license.
I did my IAM assessment this morning in the Yellow Peril as I had collected a two inch clout nail in my Volvo on my previous ROSPA assessment by sitting in the gutters on right hand bends.. :headbang:
Sadly couldn’t release the demons.. :tumbleweed: :rofl:
Haha,that's because can see more of what's ahead if looking "inside " the lines of vehicles ahead,rather than most do,look to the Right/outside of other vehicles.
But yeah,downside is you bump over drains etc near kerbs,or pick up debris :roll:
The company I work for used to make everyone go on defensive driving training. I got a really nice ex police training guy. Blasted about the countryside for about 100 miles on a lovely day. He even bought me lunch. Nice guy and some good knowledge imparted. I think I had a 135i at the time. That old boy could drive as well. Nice day out. Not really the sort of 'your a plonker, drive like this' training that I was expecting.
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craig3.2 said:
Not sure where this "general consensus is that you're not in full control" came from? You won't find that the the police high-speed test standards. You're not encouraged to "feed the wheel" there.
Pbondar said:
Not sure about the "less academic skills" bit? You certainly don't need academic skills to be a good driver. I've seen some very good drivers, with a natural skill, who could hardly write a sentence. An conversely, some very intelligent and erudite, who are truly awful drivers, usually because they are looking down their nose at lesser mortals, and they must be a good driver because they are so superior!
There are lots of very good drivers about, as well as lots of very poor drivers. I'm always wary of the "advanced driver" brigade, because of this superiority complex thing.
Most people who try pull and push (feeding the wheel) do it incorrectly with little tippy/tappy movements. Try this: hold the wheel at 0600 with your right hand, now push up to 1200 and take over with your left hand and pull down to 0600, then right hand up to 1200 again. You should be on full lock and you have only moved the wheel 1½ times. Learner drivers are not trained to drive like 'learner drivers' they are trained to drive safely and competently. As you gain experience you should do the same things quicker but you should still be doing the same things. Lots of people over many years have said to me, "I would not pass a driving test today because I have so many bad habits". What an admission, I would not pass a simple learner driver test. It is no wonder that nearly 2000 people are killed on our roads each year. The fact that B21 is doing something about his driving standards is great. Sorry to be a bore, but I do care about the number of preventable accidents due to the inability to drive safely of the so called 'experienced' drivers.sp3ctre said:
Scubaregs said:
Definitely . I learnt so much being a motorbike rider about road conditions and looking ahead plus anticipating what other road users are going to do . Worked most of the time but then there are always the ones that catch you out by doing the unexpected .
Agreed. When I was 16, I had a little 50cc moped and my mother insisted I go on a 'rider training course' (the CBT stuff hadn't been invented back them).Scubaregs said:
Most of the course involved an instructor telling/ showing us roadcraft with the help of a projector and white board.
The roadcraft I learned all those years ago stood me in very good stead for driving a car aswell.
I will always remember the 'if the nearside kerb isn't moving, you are going too fast for the bend'. Great piece of advice IMO.
BUT...wait for it...Peter has also had motorbikes, so will already be an expert on those aswell!
That's where anticipation comes into it, by studying vehicle body language, thinking, might the driver move at this point due to developing situations, or use the horn, rev the engine, wear hi vis clothing, use headlights, ride out from the edge of the kerb so that you are not hidden by street furniture, etc etc. You are correct though, motorcyclists are more aware and make better car drivers in the early learning stages, but some can be as arrogant as cyclists and those that ride around London showing 'L' plates with their bags of hot food strapped behind them, depend on other road users for their safety. Do we care enough to improve standards and save lives? nah!1536Z4 said:BeeEmm said:
If only you knew when to expect it
BeeEmm said:
I was approaching a corner which was about 200 feet away and had an oncoming vehicle indicating right about 50 feet in front of me . I slowed down anticipating that the driver may turn right in front of me and when they were only 20 feet in front of me they turned right . I took a slow roll over their bonnet and onto the road . It was that quick and late that I had nowhere to go . My 6 week old motor bike was written off even from such a slow speed accident . I anticipated but still fell foul to the stupid actions of a driver that was apparently distracted by their dog jumping around in their car . I was expecting the unexpected but not the stupidity of another road user .
Not saying that sp3ctre, I had moved on from 'feeding the wheel' which was just an example of how much you could turn the wheel if it was done properly, and was commenting on other aspects of people not moving up to a more advanced level of driving ability.sp3ctre said:
For clarity, I would never have 'feeding the wheel' as an item on a check list for a driving assessment. Most people cross their hands and this is perfectly acceptable if done safely.
I think years riding pushbikes in my youth followed by a year on a moped followed by several motorbikes helped no end with making me aware of potential hazards and anticipation. It couldn't have just been luck because I'm not lucky!
But any extra tuition can never be a bad thing.
But any extra tuition can never be a bad thing.
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