Adebolajo & Adebowale

[Carol M]

I don't know how the 'defence' lawyers can sleep at night. Its a given they are going to be found guilty so any efforts to defend them are useless but how can they even try?
How can they have accepted the job to defend these scumbags?

If the lawyers are also Muslims with extremist leanings then I guess it's possible that they believe (agree with ?) his justification of his actions. Then again, it could be as simple as Geezah's comment...

Aren't you entitled to a lawyer irrespective though, so if you can't afford one or none will represent you then you have the right to be appointed one ?

Yeah but any lawyer can refuse to represent. It has to be money or sympathy.

If the evidence is as strong as it is reported against these two then they'd be hanged, end of story.
I have studied Islam for 15 years and there is nothing in the religion that directs this barbaric behaviour or anything the like of it, they are clearly not right in the head.
I would like to think that most people would see that individuals like this are few and far between and this act has been condemned by an overwhelming majority of Muslims around the world.

Of course. Muslims aren't to be tarred by the brush that painted the likes of these two.
There's good and bad people everywhere. Doesn't matter who you say your prayers to, if you are bad, you're bad.

 

[markeg]

Aren't you entitled to a lawyer irrespective though, so if you can't afford one or none will represent you then you have the right to be appointed one ?

There is Bing, there are minimum rights in criminal trials

- the right for an accused to be promptly informed of the accusation against him or her – this must be in a language which he or she understands and the charge must be detailed and adequately precise;
- the right to have enough time and facilities to prepare a defence;
- the right to legal representation, including the right to either defend oneself in person or through legal assistance chosen by the accused; for legal aid to be provided if a person cannot afford legal representation; and when the interests of justice require it;
- the right to examine witnesses against an accused and for an accused to present witnesses for their defence – this right does not prevent vulnerable witnesses from giving evidence in alternative ways, either anonymously or via video-link etc., as long as the entirety of the evidence against the accused is not presented anonymously;
- the right for an accused to have the free assistance of an interpreter if he or she cannot understand the language used in court.




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[richarddaviesgb]

For me, I'm sitting on the fence. On one hand; I want a shotgun (Preferably a Remington 870), 2 boxes of shells, about 100ml of adrenaline and a bucket of Quikclot to prevent excessive blood loss following progressive limb loss. Don't want them to die too quickly so the quikclot will stop them bleeding out and the adrenaline with stop them passing out.

Then on the other hand, I'd like to seem them both hung but not killed. I'd like them to have slow deaths in dark rooms without witness.

Tough choice really. I'm not really the violent type, nor am I a vengeance seeker. But what this pair did was beyond redemption or worthy of any form of compassion. When someone has turned this insane as to be unrecognisable by society, even by those who should, then they are no longer fit to live in that society.

There is some part of me though that wants to study them. Find out everything we can about them. Mostly, who are their supporters, who do they follow? Who made them think the way they do? Then I want to catch those people and introduce them my aforementioned friend (Mr Remington 870) with the remarkable gift for getting questions answered.

This is in no way aimed at a religious grouping. From personal experience, Christians can be just as fanatical as Muslims and anyone else. Radicalisation is the issue here.

My thoughts and hopes for a brighter future go out to the family of Drummer Rigby.

 

[Bing]

For me, I'm sitting on the fence. On one hand; I want a shotgun (Preferably a Remington 870), 2 boxes of shells, about 100ml of adrenaline and a bucket of Quikclot to prevent excessive blood loss following progressive limb loss. Don't want them to die too quickly so the quikclot will stop them bleeding out and the adrenaline with stop them passing out.

Then on the other hand, I'd like to seem them both hung but not killed. I'd like them to have slow deaths in dark rooms without witness.

Tough choice really. I'm not really the violent type, nor am I a vengeance seeker. But what this pair did was beyond redemption or worthy of any form of compassion. When someone has turned this insane as to be unrecognisable by society, even by those who should, then they are no longer fit to live in that society.

There is some part of me though that wants to study them. Find out everything we can about them. Mostly, who are their supporters, who do they follow? Who made them think the way they do? Then I want to catch those people and introduce them my aforementioned friend (Mr Remington 870) with the remarkable gift for getting questions answered.

That's some fence you have there :lol:

I don't think he's insane. I think he's very, very clever, formed of burning fanaticism wrapped up in pure evil. Kind of agree with the studying actually, but ending in complete eradication of both of them.

 

[Geezah]

If I were a muslim, I would be enraged that dangerous Terry F**kwits like this are hijacking my religion and dragging it through the mud, using it as an excuse for their disgusting, debased psycopathic ends!

They want anarchy, they want to destabilise our nation by turning us against each other. We need to fight them by being as accepting of different creeds, cultures and religions - as long as they don't take the pi55. By that I mean they have to be as accepting of the British way of life as they expect us to be of theirs, bearing in mind that this is Britain after all. Ballcocks to 'Winterval' etc. It's 'Christmas' and has been for over 2,000 years. (with sincere apologies to all you Terrys out there in Z4 land.)

 

[Carol M]

They aren't insane, they are fanatics who believe what they have done will please their god.

They deserve to die a slow and excruciatingly painful death.

 

[envy]

pmsl, after reading what they have said in court, i believe they are completely insane

however, if you believe that a lunatic running around with a machete hacking up people is a perfectly sane thing to do, then more power to you! but it does beg the question what you do class as insane

 

[envy]

If I were a muslim, I would be enraged that dangerous Terry F**kwits like this are hijacking my religion and dragging it through the mud, using it as an excuse for their disgusting, debased psycopathic ends!

They want anarchy, they want to destabilise our nation by turning us against each other. We need to fight them by being as accepting of different creeds, cultures and religions - as long as they don't take the pi55. By that I mean they have to be as accepting of the British way of life as they expect us to be of theirs, bearing in mind that this is Britain after all. Ballcocks to 'Winterval' etc. It's 'Christmas' and has been for over 2,000 years. (with sincere apologies to all you Terrys out there in Z4 land.)

as a muslim, i can say yes i am not happy at all by them using islam as a reason for this murder. furthermore, i do not class these people as muslim as our religion does not teach us this. it is taking things to the extreme.

if i was like most people on this forum, i would take the fact that hitler murdered all the jewish people as a smear on all christians. however, i am educated enough to know that one tyrant or even a nation full of them should not prejudice me against each and every christian. i do not judge. but a lot of the sentiment i get from people on this forum is that all muslims are like this.

the fact is that islam is the second largest religion in the world and if all muslims were like this, the world would be on fire and this kind of thing would be common place. the fact remains that these instances are extremely rare

personally i represent the majority of muslims in this country. i am liberal, accept the ways of everyone regardless of what they are so long, as they do not impose on me in the comfort of my home, and go about living my life without imposing my ways and beliefs on those around me. i never discuss religion with friends, colleagues etc as for me it is a personal thing. i dont knock on doors like jehovahs witnesses to spread the word and i do not preach anything other than everyone should be a good human being and do the right thing

 

[Bing]

I support almost everything you've said envy, and I for one do not judge all Muslims by the actions of these or other extremist scum... I'll let someone else address the huge - and untrue - generalisation you've made though, I'm too tired to be offended.

 

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[Carol M]

I support almost everything you've said envy, and I for one do not judge all Muslims by the actions of these or other extremist scum... I'll let someone else address the huge - and untrue - generalisation you've made though, I'm too tired to be offended.

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I disagree too about the sweeping generalisation. Not a fair thing to say about people on this forum.
Actually the comment you (Envy) made on another post that anyone who suffers from Post Traumatic Syndrome after coming back from war is because they have done something bad and feel guilty (or words to that effect).
That is, in my opinion, one of the most preposterous things I've ever read on here and that opinion itself is a generalisation.

I do agree with everything else in your post above.

 

[original guvnor]

I'm not even sure Hitler was a Christian. Most historians seem to think he was anti-Christian in his adult life and probably an atheist.

 

[ronk]

I'm not even sure Hitler was a Christian. Most historians seem to think he was anti-Christian in his adult life and probably an atheist.

He did introduce a church tax onto the people so can't have been so anti !

 

[exdos]

if i was like most people on this forum, i would take the fact that hitler murdered all the jewish people as a smear on all christians. however, i am educated enough to know that one tyrant or even a nation full of them should not prejudice me against each and every christian. i do not judge. but a lot of the sentiment i get from people on this forum is that all muslims are like this.

Envy, Get your facts right. Hitler was anti-Christian and Nazism was secular.

 

[richarddaviesgb]

I wouldn't say anyone on here has shown particular anti-muslim sentiment. Mostly, this forum has been very open minded and generally welcoming to anyone. Even including an ex-military man with excessive banter issues.....

Anyway, this is starting to turn a little bit onto a who's right about history segment.

Back on point, it's the people behind this pair that need to be found and put to trial. I do believe encouraging religious hatred is a criminal offence and so perhaps there is a way.

Do unto others and you would have them do unto you. Treat every man as he is your brother. Similar messages, different religions. Both worthy.

Oh and Bing; My Mum works in a place where they make fences, plenty of room up here if you care to join? We have Margarita parties every Wednesay (non alcoholic version also available for my Muslim friends).

 

[exdos]

Anyway, this is starting to turn a little bit onto a who's right about history segment.

The history aspect is fundamental because this is the origin of one group being against another. If this is not correct then hatred develops based on nothing other than sheer irrational prejudice. My previous posting was my first in this thread, because I thought it necessary that Hitler's actions should NOT be considered by Muslims as being an atrocity perpetrated by the Christian faith. BTW, I'm atheist so I have no affiliation with any religious group.

 

[teamemmenracing]

Just wanted to throw into the mix thats Religion has nothing to do with it ........

It's about low lifes trying to inflict their views on others using violence and quoting Religion as justification .....

Doesn't matter what views you hold, fact is there is no religion on the planet that justifies killing ......

Folk on here old enough will remember what it was like growing up in England with bombs going off everywhere, only difference was you replaced the word Muslim with Irish ......

The world is full of nutters who hold the belief that their idea's and desires should be inflicted on the rest of us ..... Its how wars start and its how politicians earn a living.

These 2 are murderers plain and simple, and they will go down, hopefully they will get an insanity plea which means they will never ever get out ......

 

[Stuart Truman]

Doesn't matter what views you hold, fact is there is no religion on the planet that justifies killing ......

Erm

Exodus 35:2
Leviticus 24:10-16
Leviticus 20:14

Gotta love their special books

 

[Converted Steve]

i do not judge. but a lot of the sentiment i get from people on this forum is that all muslims are like this.

That’s a sweeping statement and a massive generalisation, I think you are wrong and I’d like to think that most people on this forum are intelligent enough to understand that one bad apple doesn’t mean that all others of the same faith are as bad.

I am a total non believer, I find it extremely difficult to understand why anyone would follow a Christian faith, Islamic faith or in fact any other faith however, each to his own, I work with Christians and Muslims, I make a point of not getting involved in religious discussion, to me its no different to some people believing in the tooth fairy or father Christmas. We are allowed to be different and I don’t knock anyone else because their belief differs from my own.

the fact is that islam is the second largest religion in the world and if all muslims were like this, the world would be on fire and this kind of thing would be common place. the fact remains that these instances are extremely rare

Extremely rare? Rubbish. Yes the exact same circumstances are extremely rare but killing in the name of religion including Islam is far from rare, even today take a look in Iraq Muslims killing Muslims every day, Syria Muslims killing Muslims, Africa Muslims killing Christians and other Muslims and Christians killing Muslims, Israel Christian and Jews killing Muslims and Muslims killing Christians and Jews, Egypt Christians killing Muslims and Muslims killing Christians and other Muslims, I could go on and on killing because of faith is widespread throughout the world and has been for generations.

That’s one of the reasons I’m so glad that I don’t believe any of it

i dont knock on doors like jehovahs witnesses

That really does my head in, they should not be allowed to try and force an opinion or belief on anyone, if I wanted to know about what they believe in I would ask, to me they are like any other door to door salesperson, a pain in the ass. They should not be allowed to invade my privacy.

As for Adebolajo & Adebowale they are not insane, they knew exactly what they were doing and as several have said are playing a very, very clever publicity game at the expense of the family, Its disgraceful and someone should have stopped it all before it started this case should have been heard in closed session with no reporting

 

[envy]

Envy, Get your facts right. Hitler was anti-Christian and Nazism was secular.

get your facts right, he was born and bought up as a catholic. and maybe he was molested by a priest to make him anti-christian, who knows but like all generalised statements here. the fact remains that christianity is what his first religion was