AC Schnitzer 20i upgrade

[Anonymous]

The warranty is crap....

I mean, only 2 yrs from when the car is new? Why? Do they think the engine will not take the extra power as it gets older?

Doesn't give me confidence I'm afraid, can someone "sell" it to me?

 

[Pacemaker1000]

As said a software only update is reversible. So car goes faulty software is returned to factory and car goes in as normal under standard warranty?
Cheeky I know but I would be more concerned at the insurance finding out and voiding that.

 

[Dave-2912]

As said a software only update is reversible. So car goes faulty software is returned to factory and car goes in as normal under standard warranty?

I have done this in the past on a Focus ST. £470 Dreamscience remap with handset so it could be removed/swapped as I pleased. Returned to factory tune for services and selling without issue but I didn't have any warranty claims that could have be attributed to it. If Ford had to find a way out of paying for something it might have been a different story.

Now that was a good value remap as the handset was transferrable between cars and I sold it to another ST owner for £300 after 2 years. +40bhp for £0.23/day.

Cheeky I know but I would be more concerned at the insurance finding out and voiding that.

Anyone modifying a car without informing their insurance deserves to be found out. I know the premium increase can be far beyond reasonable but this is a price you have to factor in before doing anything to a car.

 

[mr wilks]

What about the Ac S floor mat set at £225-89p HTF do they get to that figure ? http://ac-schnitzer.co.uk/z4.htm

 

[TitanTim]

What about the Ac S floor mat set at £225-89p HTF do they get to that figure ? http://ac-schnitzer.co.uk/z4.htm

I have a set in the Z3 great mats. Your paying for the branding but their gear knob and handbrake which I have in 3 also are beautifully made. You always pay for quality like anything.

Tim.

 

[AC Schnitzer UK]

Yes its a bit of a trek to Norfolk, couldn't an independent do the fitting?

Yes

 

[AC Schnitzer UK]

What about the Ac S floor mat set at £225-89p HTF do they get to that figure ?

They're AC Schnitzer, not Halfords. Do you wear a Casio watch or a Rolex?

 

[mr wilks]

What about the Ac S floor mat set at £225-89p HTF do they get to that figure ?

They're AC Schnitzer, not Halfords. Do you wear a Casio watch or a Rolex?

Breitling aerospace & for £225,89p i would want the mats to be titanium like my watch , lasts forever & super lightweight

 

[AC Schnitzer UK]

:rofl:

I can't promise you either of those but they are very nice mats.

 

[AC Schnitzer UK]

Anyone modifying a car without informing their insurance deserves to be found out. I know the premium increase can be far beyond reasonable but this is a price you have to factor in before doing anything to a car.

Good call. You wouldn't believe the number of lads on the 1 series forums that want a "removable" box so their boss/dealer/insurance don't find out. Is it really worth getting nicked, sacked or worse?

 

[AC Schnitzer UK]

The warranty is crap....
I mean, only 2 yrs from when the car is new? Why? Do they think the engine will not take the extra power as it gets older?

It's not that. The AC Schnitzer warranty is backed by an insurance policy, and just like the BMW warranty it starts when the car is new. Otherwise you could fit the upgrade to a 10 year old car and still demand a warranty on the engine, which of course even BMW wouldn't give you, and no insurance company would back it either.

So in round figures the upgrade at £2k includes 2 years warranty at £400 per year, making the "box" £1200, and there is an additional third year available for £400 if you want it.

Does that make more sense?

 

[AC Schnitzer UK]

so there is no mechanical changes just software?
so what's worth the extra £1500 over a reversible chip only upgrade?

The most sophisticated, best researched and developed upgrade on the market from the most respected BMW-only tuner with 25 years experience backed by the best engine warranty solution available.

Whether it's worth the extra is up to you, but like most things, you get what you pay for.

 

[AC Schnitzer UK]

As said a software only update is reversible. So car goes faulty software is returned to factory and car goes in as normal under standard warranty?

That's fraud.

And with modern CANBUS wiring systems nearly all the sensor information is recorded for BMW to access in the event of a serious warranty claim.

 

[lux]

The warranty is crap....
I mean, only 2 yrs from when the car is new? Why? Do they think the engine will not take the extra power as it gets older?

It's not that. The AC Schnitzer warranty is backed by an insurance policy, and just like the BMW warranty it starts when the car is new. Otherwise you could fit the upgrade to a 10 year old car and still demand a warranty on the engine, which of course even BMW wouldn't give you, and no insurance company would back it either.

So in round figures the upgrade at £2k includes 2 years warranty at £400 per year, making the "box" £1200, and there is an additional third year available for £400 if you want it.

Does that make more sense?

What I dont get is you say there's a 2 year warranty from new, but BMW give a 3 year warranty from new....so why not the same?
Also if the warranty is for 2 years (included in the price) and I have lost one of those years as my car isn't brand new when I upgrade why can't I use the 2 year insurance cover on my last two years, it's not as if the cover would be in place until bought the product!!
Or are you telling me that you did already insure the part on my car when it was new just incase I buy an upgrade

 

[AC Schnitzer UK]

I appreciate what you are saying and I have to admit that the warranty doesn't make sense for everyone. On a brand new car it's pretty straightforward, just buy the 3rd year warranty with the upgrade, job done. But as the car gets older the "value" of the warranty declines, but the price remains the same. For a 5 year old car the performance upgrade is the same price, but you don't get any of the warranty benefits, as both the BMW and ACS warranties will have expired.

It's something we've discussed with AC Schnitzer Germany many times, but they're either not willing or unable to change it. It probably comes down to the insurance company at the end of the day.

What I dont get is you say there's a 2 year warranty from new, but BMW give a 3 year warranty from new....so why not the same?

It is the same if you buy the optional third year.

Also if the warranty is for 2 years (included in the price) and I have lost one of those years as my car isn't brand new when I upgrade why can't I use the 2 year insurance cover on my last two years, it's not as if the cover would be in place until bought the product!!

It's like when you buy a used car - you get the balance of the warranty. You don't get to start a new warranty.

 

[lux]

But you offer a 2 year warranty....that shouldn't matter if it's the first two years of the cars life or the 2nd and third!! I can understand not covering it when the BMW warranty has finished.
As you said before the cost is £1200 for the box and £400 per year warranty, so that's £1,600 when I went to school......i'm not paying £400 for the 1st years warranty I haven't used.....sorry!

You can't get the balance of a warranty that hasn't ever started....BMW start theirs from new, you don't!?

 

[AC Schnitzer UK]

It's the engine that's being warranted. BMW start their warranty from when the ENGINE is new, and so do we. We can't start a new warranty on an old engine.

 

[Maniac]

I think the point here that LUX is making is that if his car was a year old, you're still charging for a 2 year warranty, for which only 1 year is valid? Surely it would make more sense to offer a tiered approach, a cost for the remap/work and then extra costs per year for the bolt on warranty? That way someone where the warranty only qualifies for a year, pays only for a year and not two.

Effectively the way your pricing works, you are penalising those with older cars. Charging for two years warranty where less may be applicable.

 

[lux]

I get what you're saying Lorcan.
However, I use the engine from new (when BMW cover me) I haven't used your upgrade in the first year so why should I pay for insurance on my engine that I didn't need? My engine still has 2 years of warranty which should be covered with your warranty!!.....We're going to have to disagree on this one mate!!

Bmw dont say....you normally 3 years warranty on this car but you've lost one year of it as we took out the cover a year before the car was made. :headbang:

 

[AC Schnitzer UK]

I think the point here that LUX is making is that if his car was a year old, you're still charging for a 2 year warranty, for which only 1 year is valid? Surely it would make more sense to offer a tiered approach, a cost for the remap/work and then extra costs per year for the bolt on warranty? That way someone where the warranty only qualifies for a year, pays only for a year and not two.

Effectively the way your pricing works, you are penalising those with older cars. Charging for two years warranty where less may be applicable.

You're spot on, and we've said exactly the same thing to ACS. On a 5 year old car we charge for 2 years warranty NONE of which is valid.

But what can I say. They are Germans.