R60BBA said:
hopz121 said:
R60BBA said:
For the second time - not interested in a Z4MC.
The cheapest sub 40,000 mileage Z4MC I've found cost circa £26k. I could easily stick an ESS supercharger and LSD on my car for £6,500 and still be quids in by quite a margin.
True but it would hold its value as well as a Z4MC with those mods
No it won’t but I’d spend s**t loads more in servicing on the M
Your missing the point adding a second will cost you the same anyway... which is the reason for the suggestions.
Why does it need to be sub 40k.
People are just being honest with you. I think its worth managing expectations. 7k aint going to get you anything with the 'image' your clearly after and will cost as much to look after if not more and really a 10 year old daily isnt something I would want to be relying on unless you wouldn't be bothered about binning it and buying another. £7k is more than half the value of the 3.0si, the reason for the suggestions. The thing like said before low mileage, old cars have probably sat around where cars with average mileage wont give as much trouble.
In terms of Mini's ive had 4 but all R56 57 cooper, 61 cooper S F56 64 cooper S and now a F54 Clubman JCW All 4.
The majority have been fine few oil leaks but I bought them all new. The first one had a few seals replaced which meant engine out. The F56 was a nightmare it had 2 engines in 12k, the early 2014 engines had issues with the crank shaft shearing. I avoided the first gen because there are a few issues with them also they arent very frugal and use a fair amount of oil, plus I needed a reliable daily that i didnt want to worry about or have to give lots of attention too as looking after the M was more important.
TBH non of the Minis are particularly frugal especially around town. The cooper got tops of 42 combined but was lack lustre the engine was too small, the F56 was mid 30s and the cooper s was the same the clubman struggles to get past 32 but is a big car and has 4wd. Out of all of them the F56 was my favorite it had all the best bits of a mini didn't feel too big and was like a go kart to drive really great fun. Swapping it for the F56 it felt bigger, heavier and lost the charm and driver focus although in reality it was quicker better equipped and far more refined all the minis prior to the F56 are creaky and loud inside, road noise is a drag on the motorway.
For a best world daily the Clubman JCW is my fav. Like the size of a 3 series inside without looking as big, huge boot and with the seats down its very practical, big enough to get a big dog in the boot which the GF is craving for. The engine is a peach 2.0 twin turbo loads of power and the sports exhaust is such an asbo cracks and pops, it also has everything you could think of in terms of spec, cameras, recaro seats, harman karden audio which is spectacular, 4 pot brembo brakes etc etc
The car also has a longer wheel base which means on the road its far more compliant less torque steer and with the 4wd it sends up to 50% of power to the rear so generally handles really well and you can kick the rear out, absolute hoot. Bought it in Jan and the snow came in march and it didnt skip a beat even on summer low profile run flats it just wouldn't miss behave. I bought it because I wanted a practical daily with all the essence of a hot hatch and the main reason I love minis is the character, they have personality that nothing on the road come close too. My first BMW was a 3 series at 20 and it was far to grown up then bought the Z4M at 23 and had accompanying minis as daily's. Although ive just turned 30 I still think the BMWs are still too grown up and super boring inside although a 330d estate is a better car the JCW is really rare and a bit different. Looked at golf Rs and 140s and both are quicker and have better engines but man they are so drab to look at and inside, dont feel special at all. Plus every man and his dog has one.
After the issues I had with the F56 I would be less inclined to have one without a warranty, those two engine swaps were 8k each. But the early cars R53s the engines are fairly well built and the SC are pretty robust and only need attention once the mileage get up to the 100k mark, with the age its more body work, rust etc at 10 years old all consumables will need attention and the suspension will need attention etc etc.
All are fantastic to drive on paper they dont seem quick but feel fast, I ran my minis with my MC and it was always a toss up of which one to take as they both are a hoot to drive. Few issues there is no boot, its a struggle to get the shopping in, the back seats are so small that really unless you plan on putting kids there adults dont really fit and definitely not suitable for longer journeys. For the actual size there isnt much room, not sure if tech is up there for you but if its a daily I would want something with some more modern tech the R56s are still farily modern and you could probably get a decent cooper S or SD for that sort of money.
Same issue as the BMWs they arent cheap to run or service as they are BMW parts and the insurance groups are high be worth getting a few quotes depending on where you are in London as it might be more than expected. Finding a good specialist is key to keeping the costs down. The JCW costs me £600 to insure which is the same as what my Z4M cost. Im in Manchester which is renowned for stupid insurance but so is London.
Again you haven't really given any info other than to save the mileage on the Z. How many miles do you do, do you need something with some space or are you after a hot hatch where MPG and space isnt an issue? Be easier to recommend with a bit more info.
Few pics
First one with my 320si
Second one which was my fav
Had loads of issues but it was a lovely car
The newest one
Definitely a mini guy love them.
I know it would piss me off if damage happened post doing it up and more importantly I'd be worrying about that possibility instead of just concentrating on the driving.
North West Surrey
