4 out of 5 1 Series owners not that bright or don't care?
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Sounds a bit too co-incidental that BMW release a survey like that just as they propose front wheel drive platforms...
I'm sure it doesn't matter at all to the majority of people. For sure on a Z4 it would be an odd thing to have a front wheel drive roadster :thumbsdown:
Even performance wise I'm not so sure these days. Touring cars are a happy mix and on road cars Ford and others produce some hairy front wheelers.
More in the mind of purists I feel and certains types of performance car
Even performance wise I'm not so sure these days. Touring cars are a happy mix and on road cars Ford and others produce some hairy front wheelers.
More in the mind of purists I feel and certains types of performance car
It seems a little bogus to me that anyone could drive one for more than 5 minutes and not know.....
I read the linked article, picked up this little gem:
BMWM6 says:
March 24, 2010 at 1:10 am
WoooooooooooooooooooW
how stupid are these people
and to think they drove them with confidence in winter. Some people really shouldn’t be able to drive cars.
Why Not? How many people realise that almost all cars were rear wheel drive until about 40 yrs ago. Winter didn't start then !! It was always around, every year. Especially where I live
We had an ample supply of sandbags in the trunk for weight,
we put studded tires on the car and drove like it was summer, it wasn't until the Civic came along that anyone saw the advantage of FWD due to the weight distribution.
I read the linked article, picked up this little gem:
BMWM6 says:
March 24, 2010 at 1:10 am
WoooooooooooooooooooW
how stupid are these people
and to think they drove them with confidence in winter. Some people really shouldn’t be able to drive cars.
Why Not? How many people realise that almost all cars were rear wheel drive until about 40 yrs ago. Winter didn't start then !! It was always around, every year. Especially where I live
We had an ample supply of sandbags in the trunk for weight,we put studded tires on the car and drove like it was summer, it wasn't until the Civic came along that anyone saw the advantage of FWD due to the weight distribution.
I think on anything other than a 123d or 130/135 then it wouldn't matter whether it was FWD or not. Definitely once you get into the higher power/torque bands then you need AWD or RWD.
Wondermike said:
I beg to differ. I have a 118d and it is all the better for being RWD; 230lbft through the front wheels in the wet?
A golf diesel sits there and spins its drive wheels in first. Let's not even discuss understeer! Plus, sideways is not a problem. Easy to drift in the dry without DSC on. It still has 230lbft of torque, which breaks traction quite easily at certain slip angles.
It also does this which our Z's could never ever achieve:
Which after a few miles later peaked at this:
I thought it would be happy in 6th at 1250rpm? Pretty sure mine is happy in 6th @ 30ish mph doing just over 1000 rpm and she doesn't tell me to change down into 5th. You've got me thinking now - will need to check in the morning!Do the new Z's have the gear indicator then? I didnt know that.
The gearing will be different between the cars, that is for sure.
Mine will pull along at tickover in 6th, at about 800rpm/37mph. Whether it is economical or not I don't know. The turbo wastes energy spooling up below a certain RPM I presume.
It was a really relaxing drive too. At first it seemed dead slow, too slow. Then I kind of got into the 50-60 MPH zone and seemed to really enjoy chilling out and listening to some music.
The gearing will be different between the cars, that is for sure.
Mine will pull along at tickover in 6th, at about 800rpm/37mph. Whether it is economical or not I don't know. The turbo wastes energy spooling up below a certain RPM I presume.
It was a really relaxing drive too. At first it seemed dead slow, too slow. Then I kind of got into the 50-60 MPH zone and seemed to really enjoy chilling out and listening to some music.
Yeah sorry I shouldn't have said it doesn't matter, RWD is definitely preferable - we agree. But it isn't a necessity, I have had a couple of VAG TDI 130s with similar torque figures and they were fine.texasjohn said:Wondermike said:
I beg to differ. I have a 118d and it is all the better for being RWD; 230lbft through the front wheels in the wet?
But a 123d or 35i with 295-300lb ft is a big difference.
Wondermike said:
Maybe I got a bit defensive though!
You do when you have the BMW people think you purchased because you can't afford a bigger/better model Like a Z4(M)...
ETA: I had the TDI130 in a Fabia. Good engine, just a bit hard to get the power down and car was a little nose heavy.
Wouldn't worry about that, I've got a 1.2 Micratexasjohn said:Maybe I got a bit defensive though!
Yeah I loved the 130 engine, I suppose at the time it was really great. A11y had the 160 TDI in an Ibiza, I took one out for a spin a couple of times, that was a great car too.texasjohn said: