3D Design and Stack gauges

[KarlosG]

Not really as they put an oil temp gauge in stead of coolant temp!

That's no help if your coolant is overheating or you've lost it all and are about to blow your head gasket! :thumbsdown: lol
IME Oil takes much longer to heat up than water and the HG will have blown long before your oil gets noticeably hotter than normal.

 

[neilthomas]

That's no help if your coolant is overheating or you've lost it all and are about to blow your head gasket! :thumbsdown: lol
IME Oil takes much longer to heat up than water and the HG will have blown long before your oil gets noticeably hotter than normal.

But theres already a water temp gauge on the dash, or isnt it very accurate?

 

[KarlosG]

Sorry I was replying to the post above yours mate, posted at the same time! lol

Ive had an email back from 3d designs and they will post to the uk, they have asked which gauges i'd like a price on, so ive said oil pressure, oil temp and volts, are these a good choice or does anyone suggest a better combination??? are stack gauges good quality or should i ask for a different make???

Stack are very good quality yes, and yes if your going to have three then those would be my choice, or lose volts and get an AFR gauge but not really needed on a N/A engine.

 

[neilthomas]

Sorry I was replying to the post above yours mate, posted at the same time! lol

Ive had an email back from 3d designs and they will post to the uk, they have asked which gauges i'd like a price on, so ive said oil pressure, oil temp and volts, are these a good choice or does anyone suggest a better combination??? are stack gauges good quality or should i ask for a different make???

Stack are very good quality yes, and yes if your going to have three then those would be my choice, or lose volts and get an AFR gauge but not really needed on a N/A engine.

No probs mate thanks for the reply, im just waiting for the price back from them now, hope its not going to be too expensive!

 

[BMWZ4MC]

Please post the price here when you hear back Who will be fitting these guages, DIY or an Indy?

 

[CornishRob]

Not really as they put an oil temp gauge in stead of coolant temp!

That's no help if your coolant is overheating or you've lost it all and are about to blow your head gasket! :thumbsdown: lol
IME Oil takes much longer to heat up than water and the HG will have blown long before your oil gets noticeably hotter than normal.

True, but they have warning lights for overheating coolant. You would probably do more damage in everyday driving by not knowing when the oil is upto temp and te engine getting thrashed from cold! The rev lights in the M go off way too early in my opinion!

I watch the oil temp gauge a lot when the car is warming up and don't rev it past about 3k until its upto about 90 degrees oil temp. How do you know when your cars engine is properly upto operating temperature? This isn't an issue for normal cars or for people who don't drive their cars in a sporty fasion, but for sports cars and high revving engines, it should be a serious consideration for the user.

Obviously a coolant and oil temp would have been nice, but I would prefer oil temp in these types of cars! I think BMW got it correct on this one.

 

[CornishRob]

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Thats looks awsome! i need your interior!!!!!!!!

Love the red seat belts. Where did they come from? Did you fit yourself?

 

[neilthomas]

Please post the price here when you hear back Who will be fitting these guages, DIY or an Indy?

Right ive got a price gauge pod itself is $342 and the adapters for oil pressure and oil temperature are $52 and $41

stack gauges

3300 series:

ST 3309 Oil Temp (C) - $149.00
ST 3351 Oil Pressure (BAR) - $199.00
ST 3316 Volt - $123.00

3500 series:

ST 3509 Oil Temp. (C) - $189.00
ST 3501 Oil Pressure (BAR) - $229.00
ST 3516 Volt - $179.00

and there will also be import tax on top of this aswell

i think these look amazing but i dont think i can justify spending $342 on the pod, so i have plan!! im going to have a go at making my own pod out of an old ashtray module and sinlge dial pods :crazydude:

Does anyone have a damaged ashtray module for sale?

 

[markeg]

Keep an eye on eBay.de - search for "z4 aschenbecher" seen them on there often. None at the moment though...

Tapatalking...

 

[domsz4]

i wouldnt bother with a volts guage. imo they are pointless. I would rather go for another temp/pressure guage to cover all bases.

 

[KarlosG]

Not really as they put an oil temp gauge in stead of coolant temp!

That's no help if your coolant is overheating or you've lost it all and are about to blow your head gasket! :thumbsdown: lol
IME Oil takes much longer to heat up than water and the HG will have blown long before your oil gets noticeably hotter than normal.

True, but they have warning lights for overheating coolant. You would probably do more damage in everyday driving by not knowing when the oil is upto temp and te engine getting thrashed from cold! The rev lights in the M go off way too early in my opinion!

I watch the oil temp gauge a lot when the car is warming up and don't rev it past about 3k until its upto about 90 degrees oil temp. How do you know when your cars engine is properly upto operating temperature? This isn't an issue for normal cars or for people who don't drive their cars in a sporty fasion, but for sports cars and high revving engines, it should be a serious consideration for the user.

Obviously a coolant and oil temp would have been nice, but I would prefer oil temp in these types of cars! I think BMW got it correct on this one.

Yeah I agree both would be ideal, normal operating temps for most engines are around 90 degrees and that's coolant temp (the middle of most stock coolant temp gauges). Water reacts much faster to changes in running temps which is why 99% of cars have coolant and not oil.
A warning light is better than nothing but you don't know it's working (bulb may be dead) until it comes on, with a traditional gauge you can see it going up and down all the time, also if a hose splits you can lose almost all your coolant and often the gauge will not read hot (so no warning light) and just drop to stone cold as there is no coolant on the sensor.

 

[neilthomas]

i wouldnt bother with a volts guage. imo they are pointless. I would rather go for another temp/pressure guage to cover all bases.

what gauge would you suggest i go for instead of the volts? if i had a oil temp and oil pressure and ive already got a water temp gauge?

 

[neilthomas]

Keep an eye on eBay.de - search for "z4 aschenbecher" seen them on there often. None at the moment though...

Tapatalking...

Nice one mate i will keep checking!

 

[CornishRob]

Yeah I agree both would be ideal, normal operating temps for most engines are around 90 degrees and that's coolant temp (the middle of most stock coolant temp gauges). Water reacts much faster to changes in running temps which is why 99% of cars have coolant and not oil.
A warning light is better than nothing but you don't know it's working (bulb may be dead) until it comes on, with a traditional gauge you can see it going up and down all the time, also if a hose splits you can lose almost all your coolant and often the gauge will not read hot (so no warning light) and just drop to stone cold as there is no coolant on the sensor.

Fair enough.

Well we are both happy anyway. I can keep an eye on my oil temps and you can watch your coolant temps.

I'm sure there is a reason BMW M actively chose to change from a coolant temp to oil temp gauge.

I guess the M dept do what they like!

 

[Xiaxio]

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Omg dude I love your car I fell in love with the seat belts! Did u buy the car that way or did u buy them? And if so did u pit them on your self or did u hire someone? And is it easy if u did it? Btw love the interior and rims especially the carbon fiber look

 

[KarlosG]

Yeah I agree both would be ideal, normal operating temps for most engines are around 90 degrees and that's coolant temp (the middle of most stock coolant temp gauges). Water reacts much faster to changes in running temps which is why 99% of cars have coolant and not oil.
A warning light is better than nothing but you don't know it's working (bulb may be dead) until it comes on, with a traditional gauge you can see it going up and down all the time, also if a hose splits you can lose almost all your coolant and often the gauge will not read hot (so no warning light) and just drop to stone cold as there is no coolant on the sensor.

Fair enough.

Well we are both happy anyway. I can keep an eye on my oil temps and you can watch your coolant temps.

I'm sure there is a reason BMW M actively chose to change from a coolant temp to oil temp gauge.

I guess the M dept do what they like!

Yeah it would be interesting to know what that reason was (from a technical point of view).
I look at things a little different to most anyway, I've been building and tuning engines for about 5 years now, seen many engine failures (had a few myself) and the various causes so know the early signs and what to watch out for etc. (Also know what I like to keep an eye on)I imagine most wouldn't even know what their average oil temp should be let alone when it's higher than normal, much like most wouldn't know their target AFR's and if they were lean or rich for example, no offence to anyone of course but the average driver is not expected to know and doesn't normally need to either.