35is future value and depreciation
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stuartinzg
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The offers seem to have dried up. The Z4 GT3 is also not being produced past 2015. Is that a sign that the model will be discontinued soon?
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I think it's a great package for the tax price too. The Porsche's I wanted to get are all £480-£500 a year+
It's also "modern" with the DCT, I think this helps its cause.
It's also "modern" with the DCT, I think this helps its cause.
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https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/bmw_z4_sdrive35is_auto
Just over the total number of Jaguar Project 7 special editions Ian Callum plans to sell ..
With around 350 cars in the market place... I think this model will hold its value well. In comparison there are 750+ 35i, 1100+ 30i, 4k 2.3i, 4.2k+ 20i, 900+ 18i
We make up just over 3% of the range .. that is nice!
Just over the total number of Jaguar Project 7 special editions Ian Callum plans to sell ..
With around 350 cars in the market place... I think this model will hold its value well. In comparison there are 750+ 35i, 1100+ 30i, 4k 2.3i, 4.2k+ 20i, 900+ 18i
We make up just over 3% of the range .. that is nice!
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This website is a bit confusing as it swapped from annual to 4 quarters a year, but with some cars the values didn't change. I can't work out if it's cumulative value or unique per quarter, although I'm pretty sure it's cumulative because no QTR is less than the previous.
stuartinzg said:
It's cumulative, you also need to add the taxed and SORN figures together to get the true figure of how many there are.
When I got mines there was 212 35is models and that was end of January 2014, but figures at the time were only available for quater 3 of 2013. Considering the launch was 2010 for the 35is it took off rather well in 2010, the numbers over the years buying were small but has been a bigger increase over the past year due to offers.
When looking at other models you have to break it down into the different trims and then manual or auto. Last time I checked I'm sure the 35i m sport manual was rarer but as a whole there is more 35i's out there wether the rarity of a manual helps the value in the future is anyone's guess.
If you change the how many left to first registration it show 90 in 2010, 54 in 2011, 12 in 2012!, 60 in 2013 and 96 in 2014 so 318 first registered but at the end or 2014 there was only 313 in the UK so either some have been binned or taken out of the U.K.
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/bmw_z4_sdrive35is_auto#!firstreg
Edit - I've just checked the 35i broken down into their different trims i.e. Non M Sport and M Sport the figures are:
Non M Sport - 243 Manual & 335 Auto
M Sport - 79 Manual and 156 Auto
I also notice the 1 LHD variant has also vanished as there was 1 still showing in quater 1 of 2015
The up take on then 35i has been rather slow if you look at first registrations in 2014 with only 1 manual and 2 auto non m sports, 17 manual and 7 auto m sports. Tells me that bmws offer especially round the 35is got more people into the car.
As they become cheap , more folk will buy them and realise that they aren't cheap to maintain properly .
Keep a car in good condition and then store it away 'til the rarity value kicks in and it will become collectable.
I saw a 1982 Citroen 2cv in a specialist garage in the Netherlands (Brummen) and they were asking €9000 ! How many of those little cars were around only 35 years ago? My wife only paid £1750 for a brand new one back then!
I think 30 years is a reasonable time scale to consider as a base line.
Keep a car in good condition and then store it away 'til the rarity value kicks in and it will become collectable.
I saw a 1982 Citroen 2cv in a specialist garage in the Netherlands (Brummen) and they were asking €9000 ! How many of those little cars were around only 35 years ago? My wife only paid £1750 for a brand new one back then!
I think 30 years is a reasonable time scale to consider as a base line.
I think there's better cars out there to buy and keep in storage. Something like a 996 Turbo would be a good buy. Still seen as an ugly duckling by most Porsche enthusiasts but in another 5 years it will be sought after.
I can't see any automatic being a future classic. An enthusiast is the only person likely to be buying an ageing Z4 as a weekend garage queen and they will want the manual transmission.
I enjoy the DCT but if I was shopping for a weekend toy to hold onto I would want the involvement and long term reliability of the manual.
I can't see any automatic being a future classic. An enthusiast is the only person likely to be buying an ageing Z4 as a weekend garage queen and they will want the manual transmission.
I enjoy the DCT but if I was shopping for a weekend toy to hold onto I would want the involvement and long term reliability of the manual.
Keep any car long enough it will become more and more valuable. .
Who would have bet on the 2Cv becoming 3x it purchase price ?
The complexity problem ?...? There were also some very complex suspension and gearbox equipped cars in the garage that commanded very high prices.
Unfortunately it's doubtful I'll be around in thirty years !
Who would have bet on the 2Cv becoming 3x it purchase price ?
The complexity problem ?...? There were also some very complex suspension and gearbox equipped cars in the garage that commanded very high prices.
Unfortunately it's doubtful I'll be around in thirty years !
stuartinzg
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R.E92 said:
I would rather have a Getrag DCT than a Lotus Esprit manual gearbox (from Renault). The box is pretty bullet proof. Willing to to hear otherwise...
I didn't intend on a DCT vs manual argument!
It's a very strong box and does its job well. Mine has had 2 years of abuse and shows no sign of giving up but people prefer manual when you are talking about classics.
I think going forward 10 years when everything is automatic and people get to buying that car they always fancied but never got around to owning, the manual E89 35i will be the model that will command a premium. Manual will have that novelty factor people want from a saucy weekend investment.
Whenever I get to PH classifieds or AutoTrader for some fantasy car shopping the manual transmission box is always the first option I tick. Whether it's on a TT Supra, FairladyZ or 850i. On each car the manuals are like hens teeth and command huge premiums.
It's a very strong box and does its job well. Mine has had 2 years of abuse and shows no sign of giving up but people prefer manual when you are talking about classics.
I think going forward 10 years when everything is automatic and people get to buying that car they always fancied but never got around to owning, the manual E89 35i will be the model that will command a premium. Manual will have that novelty factor people want from a saucy weekend investment.
Whenever I get to PH classifieds or AutoTrader for some fantasy car shopping the manual transmission box is always the first option I tick. Whether it's on a TT Supra, FairladyZ or 850i. On each car the manuals are like hens teeth and command huge premiums.
Its hard to predict ...
E89's are far too new to even think about any kind of long term depreciation or desirability.. But I would have thought that like the previous Z4, the top models will be more sought after than the lesser spec cars.
Do you think the normal clutch and DMF would have stood up to 2 years of abuse?
We are currently fitting DMF's on a weekly basis that haven't achieved 80k... Today's job is an Audi A4 that has only done 50k... £1000 to repair..
E89's are far too new to even think about any kind of long term depreciation or desirability.. But I would have thought that like the previous Z4, the top models will be more sought after than the lesser spec cars.
Do you think the normal clutch and DMF would have stood up to 2 years of abuse?
We are currently fitting DMF's on a weekly basis that haven't achieved 80k... Today's job is an Audi A4 that has only done 50k... £1000 to repair..
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stuartinzg
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R.E92 said:
I disagree, but I guess time will tell. The DCT is a manual gearbox with a fancy clutch system built on top, it doesn't have a torque converter so you aren't losing performance. The trend is moving heavily into automatic, which means in a few years, people will look for modern functionality, but in an older car. The old SMG boxes and other brands like Ferrari F1 box where the clutch lasts 20,000 miles need not apply - this box is really something special, which means in a few years, it will still be something special.
When you look back at classics, it isn't the fact that it's a manual that makes it a hit, it's the fact that it's a great all round car (E30 M3, old SLs, etc). Yes the 35i will also be popular I expect, different strokes for different folks. Most of the classic Mercs are auto - doesn't detract from them and their auto boxes are shocking (3 speed - very laggy).
Big shout for the 30i too. No turbo to worry about going wrong. Mines got a manual box 