35I brake upgrade

[sumotan]

Who applied the software fix for your Phondar ?

Thanks

 

[Anonymous]

Who applied the software fix for your Phondar ?

Thanks

Moi via Bimmergeeks Protool see screen shots

 

[stijohnny]

Are you going to code the DCS to let it know about the BBK?

thanks Pbondar for the question and to be honest it had not crossed my mind. I do expect the brakes to feel a bit different of course. I'll report back on how the new calipers feel and include a stop test before and after and we can take it from there.

 

[TomK]

I was merely re-quoting the blurb from the Bimmerworld website and from BMW UK web site

Maybe I'm blind but I see no reference to M3 brakes anywhere
They're ok these calipers but built very much to a price, relatively heavy and they cheaped out on on the pistons which will crack under heavy usage (probably not relevant to most). That said I enjoyed them, good feel, an improvement to the e46 csl setup i had.
The disc diameter of an e9x m3 is far greater and indeed it's a sliding mono piston, but neither will work on a standard e9x e89 without modification afaik
As you have probably noticed this BMWP upgrade is not available as an option for the 335i (same as z435i/s) as they were not considered to be an upgrade, I guess disc diameter.

thanks Pbondar for the question and to be honest it had not crossed my mind. I do expect the brakes to feel a bit different of course. I'll report back on how the new calipers feel and include a stop test before and after and we can take it from there.

Whilst it's very easy to add the VO option for the performance brake kit to the z4 chassis using ncs to code the cas & vfm modules and then let the DSC module pull the correct values from the datem files (with the caveat that it's unlikely most people will have installed the rear of this set), there is no factory coding option for f series parts onto e series.
I would do as you suggest and just run it an see how it goes. Things like pad coefficient will have a far greater effect than any coding imho.

 

[Anonymous]

Are you going to code the DCS to let it know about the BBK?

thanks Pbondar for the question and to be honest it had not crossed my mind. I do expect the brakes to feel a bit different of course. I'll report back on how the new calipers feel and include a stop test before and after and we can take it from there.

Most people never twiddle with the DCS unit...and just accept the setup they create..

The issue these days is so much of what we perceive is controlled by software..

Interested to see how it goes

 

[sumotan]

Thanks Phondar going to receive my AP Racing 4 soon will see what happens. I've not gone bigger kept it at 330 mm. Don't think I need to go bigger as I don't track just fast driving when I can.

Cheers & as always thank you

 

[Anonymous]

Thanks Phondar going to receive my AP Racing 4 soon will see what happens. I've not gone bigger kept it at 330 mm. Don't think I need to go bigger as I don't track just fast driving when I can.

Cheers & as always thank you

Be interested to see how that set up works...at least there is an option to re-code now

 

[sumotan]

This is the AP set-up Pete. Didn't go with AP J rotors cause friends who use it don't think too highly of them for road application.

Cheers

 

[Anonymous]

This is the AP set-up Pete. Didn't go with AP J rotors cause friends who use it don't think too highly of them for road application.

Cheers

Nice set of calipers and discs.. what size /thickness are the discs? I see they 'cheat' with an adapter bracket between the caliper and leg..not there is anything wrong with that..I assume that's their way of using generic calipers..have you weighed a caliper out of interest?

 

[sumotan]

Hi Pete,
Caliper weight us 2.43 kg per pc wanted to go for Radical ll but it weighs 800 grams more which made no sence to me & cost more too. lol
Rotors are 330 like stock but 28 mm thick. Yes for any aftermarket brake kits, they all have to cheat with adaptor brackets. I do believe
though that they're better build then Bmw Brembo, in anycase as long as it works well for my application Im happy. Caliper model is CP 9200
which replaces the CP 5200.

Cheers

 

[Anonymous]

Hi Pete,
Caliper weight us 2.43 kg per pc wanted to go for Radical ll but it weighs 800 grams more which made no sence to me & cost more too. lol
Rotors are 330 like stock but 28 mm thick. Yes for any aftermarket brake kits, they all have to cheat with adaptor brackets. I do believe
though that they're better build then Bmw Brembo, in anycase as long as it works well for my application Im happy. Caliper model is CP 9200
which replaces the CP 5200.

Cheers

 

[sumotan]

Just had the Catless DP & Wagner FMIC installed today Pete but due to that dreaded Outside Temp Sensor issue will have to resolve it before further testing.

Cheers & many thanks

 

[Anonymous]

Just had the Catless DP & Wagner FMIC installed today Pete but due to that dreaded Outside Temp Sensor issue will have to resolve it before further testing.

Cheers & many thanks

Should sound great and go quickly

I’ve ordered a 200 cell cat down pipe as it failed the MOT and I get quite a whiff of fuel with the top down when stationary..not sure when I will fit it, before the next MOT for sure.

I’ll do another dyno run once it’s fitted

 

[TomK]

I see they 'cheat' with an adapter bracket between the caliper and leg..not there is anything wrong with that..I assume that's their way of using generic calipers..

'Cheat' in the exact same way as brembo does with yours :lol:

 

[Anonymous]

I see they 'cheat' with an adapter bracket between the caliper and leg..not there is anything wrong with that..I assume that's their way of using generic calipers..

'Cheat' in the exact same way as brembo does with yours :lol:
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Quite so..I've since discovered that those calipers have been fitted by owners to almost every BMW going (I guess with different adapter brackets).

Unlike the OE calipers which don't have adapters.

 

[sumotan]

I see they 'cheat' with an adapter bracket between the caliper and leg..not there is anything wrong with that..I assume that's their way of using generic calipers..

Just had the Catless DP & Wagner FMIC installed today Pete but due to that dreaded Outside Temp Sensor issue will have to resolve it before further testing.

Cheers & many thanks

Should sound great and go quickly

I’ve ordered a 200 cell cat down pipe as it failed the MOT and I get quite a whiff of fuel with the top down when stationary..not sure when I will fit it, before the next MOT for sure.

I’ll do another dyno run once it’s fitted

'Cheat' in the exact same way as brembo does with yours :lol:
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Now this is the part where I wish that I was living in the US or the UK. Where I am there's no proper workshop nor tuning shop so this means that I've to learn everything about the car myself & have a good mechanic to do the wrenching work for me. Would have loved to go DME reflash but with no dynos etc here so my next best is a JB4 piggy back which isn't the best way to go but no choice. The advantage though is if there's a problem with JB4, I just unplug reconnect to Oem & Im good to go. Having said that Burger Tuning has been a great help cause they even remapped their program to suit my car with Data Logs that I've collected. For now Im happy Lol, btw re JB4 its isn't like what many enthusiast thinks, it isn't just a boost controller infact it does adjust many parameters, only set back is it works within the limits of the original Dme programme.

Cheers & thanks again Pete

 

[Anonymous]

I see they 'cheat' with an adapter bracket between the caliper and leg..not there is anything wrong with that..I assume that's their way of using generic calipers..

Should sound great and go quickly

I’ve ordered a 200 cell cat down pipe as it failed the MOT and I get quite a whiff of fuel with the top down when stationary..not sure when I will fit it, before the next MOT for sure.

I’ll do another dyno run once it’s fitted

'Cheat' in the exact same way as brembo does with yours :lol:
2020-08-08 10.16.32.jpg

Now this is the part where I wish that I was living in the US or the UK. Where I am there's no proper workshop nor tuning shop so this means that I've to learn everything about the car myself & have a good mechanic to do the wrenching work for me. Would have loved to go DME reflash but with no dynos etc here so my next best is a JB4 piggy back which isn't the best way to go but no choice. The advantage though is if there's a problem with JB4, I just unplug reconnect to Oem & Im good to go. Having said that Burger Tuning has been a great help cause they even remapped their program to suit my car with Data Logs that I've collected. For now Im happy Lol, btw re JB4 its isn't like what many enthusiast thinks, it isn't just a boost controller infact it does adjust many parameters, only set back is it works within the limits of the original Dme programme.

Cheers & thanks again Pete

The JB4 seems very popular in the USA, so I think its as good an option as you're going to get where you are. What numbers are they predicting pre and post de-cat?

 

[sumotan]

Actually I never ask lol but what I was told was after de cat & fmic will easily get me another 15 to 20hp. They got 2 maps set for me, for now Im running on Map 1 which adds 4 psi more over stock. At least Im comfortable knowing that the AFR is well behaved. The graph is pre de cat & at certain rpm is slightly rich but it should now be just right after de cat. We'll see how it goes.

Cheers

 

[Anonymous]

Actually I never ask lol but what I was told was after de cat & fmic will easily get me another 15 to 20hp. They got 2 maps set for me, for now Im running on Map 1 which adds 4 psi more over stock. At least Im comfortable knowing that the AFR is well behaved. The graph is pre de cat & at certain rpm is slightly rich but it should now be just right after de cat. We'll see how it goes.

Cheers

looks like the gains are modest but useful on the 28i which is not illogical given that the JB4 is a bolt on box viz a re-map..looks like all being well around 35 bhp and 60 ft lb torque... (81nm)..they are a little down on a re-map..I would estimate 5-25 depending on various factors and 20-60nm torque

The JB4 headline numbers are all based on E85 fuels which have a powerful cooling effect allowing more power

 

[engine killer]

This is the AP set-up Pete. Didn't go with AP J rotors cause friends who use it don't think too highly of them for road application.

Cheers

Nice set of calipers and discs.. what size /thickness are the discs? I see they 'cheat' with an adapter bracket between the caliper and leg..not there is anything wrong with that..I assume that's their way of using generic calipers..have you weighed a caliper out of interest?

Congratulation, the CP5200 is already an extremely durable and reliable caliper and have been in the market for more than 2 decades iirc, so the successor is expected to be even better. i had it in my Peugeot 205 for more than a decade and never failed me once before i switched to CP3307 (without needing the adaptor, much easier for the mot).