28i Opinion?

john-e89 said:
Filtermike said:
I had a 2.8i for two year - now have a 3.5iS - performance was great able to keep up with 3.5i on hoons front end is lighter (125kg overall) the 3.5iS feels a lot heavier on turn in. Sound wise the 2.8i has its own unique sound - but the 3.5IS is a different league - fuel wise - on a hot run 2.8i - 26mpg & 3.5iS 20mpg - the big difference is the DCT via manual - DCT is brilliant :thumbsup:
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So you prefer the 35is purely on power and DCT then Mike? I'm not including exhaust sound here. What appeals to me is the lighter front end, and manual box, so from that aspect, the 28i should be the better car if you don't factor in the power and torque of the 35is right? 125 kg is significant, that makes it the same weight as an E85 3.0si unless I'm mistaken.
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Not all about top end, you have a lot of torque from 1500 rpm with the iS, so everyday driving and overtaking is a joy. The DCT is the best gearbox on the market (imho) and still used in the M3/M4/M6. It's on a different league in terms of performance and extras. But, if you need to lower costs then why not? You can always buy another iS.

The N54T is one of the best engines BMW has made (imho). You have 1M's with 600hp on stock internals. World record is 500+ on stock turbos - you really have a beast waiting to be unleashed. But, in the UK, you can't use that - lighter frontend/turn-in and cornering ability wins over straight line performance. If you had the 28i remapped you would probably be very happy :thumbsup:
 
stuartinzg said:
john-e89 said:
Filtermike said:
I had a 2.8i for two year - now have a 3.5iS - performance was great able to keep up with 3.5i on hoons front end is lighter (125kg overall) the 3.5iS feels a lot heavier on turn in. Sound wise the 2.8i has its own unique sound - but the 3.5IS is a different league - fuel wise - on a hot run 2.8i - 26mpg & 3.5iS 20mpg - the big difference is the DCT via manual - DCT is brilliant :thumbsup:
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So you prefer the 35is purely on power and DCT then Mike? I'm not including exhaust sound here. What appeals to me is the lighter front end, and manual box, so from that aspect, the 28i should be the better car if you don't factor in the power and torque of the 35is right? 125 kg is significant, that makes it the same weight as an E85 3.0si unless I'm mistaken.
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Not all about top end, you have a lot of torque from 1500 rpm with the iS, so everyday driving and overtaking is a joy. The DCT is the best gearbox on the market (imho) and still used in the M3/M4/M6. It's on a different league in terms of performance and extras. But, if you need to lower costs then why not? You can always buy another iS.

The N54T is one of the best engines BMW has made (imho). You have 1M's with 600hp on stock internals. World record is 500+ on stock turbos - you really have a beast waiting to be unleashed. But, in the UK, you can't use that - lighter frontend/turn-in and cornering ability wins over straight line performance. If you had the 28i remapped you would probably be very happy :thumbsup:
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I gather the N54 bottom end is forged as standard Stuart, it's without doubt a superb engine, but the more I think about it the more the 28i appeals due to weight, a twin turbo 6 forged engine is super appealing, it's big balls and boxing gloves, very tempting to hold out for a 35i manual but you've got the weight thing again, as you and Twin Turbo say it's easy enough to get 300 BHP out of the four pot if required, yes I'll miss the torque for sure, but 350NM standard is pretty good, so if I have to downgrade this seems the better bet for crisper sharper turn in. If it does'nt work out then a 35i will turn up, never another non manual though, that was a mistake, brilliant though as the DCT is.
 
stuartinzg said:
The N54T is one of the best engines BMW has made (imho). You have 1M's with 600hp on stock internals. World record is 500+ on stock turbos - you really have a beast waiting to be unleashed. But, in the UK, you can't use that - lighter frontend/turn-in and cornering ability wins over straight line performance. If you had the 28i remapped you would probably be very happy :thumbsup:
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I do love the idea my little two liter can keep up with you big boys - However on track I was struggling with an E92 M3 - on the straights it had the legs - however breaking and corners is were the little 2 ltr had the advantage - and Mr M3 submitted. (I have posted an video on this - regarding suspention)

On the course of cornering - I have post an video of an MX5 Track day car - spinning out just behind me - which really surprised me as MX5 are renowned for there handling.

And another comparison - was playing with an Focus RS -Which I found out was Stage 3 - giving out 380Bhp - and we was again quicker on the straights - but I did have an passenger but again corners I gained ground.

IMOA - 35i/35is you buy with your heart - but 28i you buy with your head - there are different cars as discussed 100KG at the front makes turn in quite easy.

But I am waiting for the Z4 40i
 
Not much to add but as a 28i owner (first BMW as well) I am impressed with performance and build quality etc. My heart wanted a top of the range 35IS but my head made me go for the 28i. Particularly as the car is used as a daily town driven car as well as used as a weekend car.

Will I remap it, probably at some point. Do I like the exhaust sound, no it's awful but it's being compared to a 6 pot. When it's at full chat it sounds healthy enough. Biggest concern as with most are the 19 inch with runflat a, if there was one thing that shouldn't be allowed it's that. How any manufacturer can get away with that as OEM il never understand.

I (still) look forward and enjoy every ride out in the car, work or fun runs. Driving it I feel I have had to learn how to point it and shoot in and out of corners but when you hook it up it feels like it's on rails. Get it wrong and it over or under steers but I guess this is a trait of the car.

Enjoy whatever you get for what it is, either way it's no 35is though and that's from a 28i owner :thumbsup:
 
Twin Turbo said:
stuartinzg said:
The N54T is one of the best engines BMW has made (imho). You have 1M's with 600hp on stock internals. World record is 500+ on stock turbos - you really have a beast waiting to be unleashed. But, in the UK, you can't use that - lighter frontend/turn-in and cornering ability wins over straight line performance. If you had the 28i remapped you would probably be very happy :thumbsup:
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I do love the idea my little two liter can keep up with you big boys - However on track I was struggling with an E92 M3 - on the straights it had the legs - however breaking and corners is were the little 2 ltr had the advantage - and Mr M3 submitted. (I have posted an video on this - regarding suspention)

On the course of cornering - I have post an video of an MX5 Track day car - spinning out just behind me - which really surprised me as MX5 are renowned for there handling.

And another comparison - was playing with an Focus RS -Which I found out was Stage 3 - giving out 380Bhp - and we was again quicker on the straights - but I did have an passenger but again corners I gained ground.

IMOA - 35i/35is you buy with your heart - but 28i you buy with your head - there are different cars as discussed 100KG at the front makes turn in quite easy.

But I am waiting for the Z4 40i
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Have you looked into aftermarket exhausts TT? The super sprint looks a nice system with a deep burble, the fear of droning has always put me off exhausts before.
 
TBH - I was thinking of going for Quads - but the exhaust is not as sweet as an 35i/35is - however its not unpleasant.

It has a sound generator so it sounds quite sporty - Plus with removed Cats - gives a bit of throat to the car. (well that's my perception)
 
No I can't hope to get near the 35is for noise, it may be OK as is, I hav'nt heard one yet, just thinking of possibilities should it go ahead. Thanks for the post.
 
john-e89 said:
If it does'nt work out then a 35i will turn up, never another non manual though, that was a mistake, brilliant though as the DCT is.
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I waited months for a manual 35i with the right spec to become available in my budget. Was about to give up and buy this one (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classif...searchad=new,nearlynew,used&logcode=p&adPos=7) but a £22k model became available with all the right bits.

Such a frustrating wait, not seen any others come available since for the same spec.
 
Rathean said:
john-e89 said:
If it does'nt work out then a 35i will turn up, never another non manual though, that was a mistake, brilliant though as the DCT is.
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I waited months for a manual 35i with the right spec to become available in my budget. Was about to give up and buy this one (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classif...searchad=new,nearlynew,used&logcode=p&adPos=7) but a £22k model became available with all the right bits.

Such a frustrating wait, not seen any others come available since for the same spec.
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Yes I've seen that one Rathean, have to admit I was tempted but I need to downgrade in terms of cost really, that dash is marmite, I hate it, the wood trim could be changed but the mustard dash, oh dear. Very very nice rare car though in general and as you say a good spec, they're thin on the ground like that. :(

Cheers for the post. :thumbsup:
 
I found the N20 engine a pretty hateful thing in fact one of the worst BMW engines I've come across, even preferred BMW diesels I've had in the past , have I said this before :lol: I would also be wary tuning this engine as the block is not a cool runner and heard of them failing under moderate tuning states.

Tim.
 
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I picked my 2.8 up in Jan this year after having a 2.0 for three years. Did think of a 3.5s and wish I had back in Jan but the 2.8 has grown on me and I like the sound. Think you might be better test driving both and seeing for yourself. :driving:
 
trucker99 said:
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I picked my 2.8 up in Jan this year after having a 2.0 for three years. Did think of a 3.5s and wish I had back in Jan but the 2.8 has grown on me and I like the sound. Think you might be better test driving both and seeing for yourself. :driving:
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You know the 28i is a 2.0 right trucker? I'm not being flip it just sounds from your post as though you've moved on from a 2.0, which you hav'nt, as there's no such thing as a 2.8.

Anyway good you like the 28i, I'll be moving from a 3.0 35is, quite a downturn in power but benefits from being lighter so maybe not such a loss. :)
 
john-e89 said:
trucker99 said:
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I picked my 2.8 up in Jan this year after having a 2.0 for three years. Did think of a 3.5s and wish I had back in Jan but the 2.8 has grown on me and I like the sound. Think you might be better test driving both and seeing for yourself. :driving:
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You know the 28i is a 2.0 right trucker? I'm not being flip it just sounds from your post as though you've moved on from a 2.0, which you hav'nt, as there's no such thing as a 2.8.

Anyway good you like the 28i, I'll be moving from a 3.0 35is, quite a downturn in power but benefits from being lighter so maybe not such a loss. :)
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There are lots of people who stick a dot in a place where there should not be one. ie. 2.0i instead of 20i , 2.8i instead of 28i and 3.5i instead of 35i
You have to wonder how many people have bought a car thinking it has a different sized engine than it actually has.
 
Nictrix said:
john-e89 said:
trucker99 said:
I
I picked my 2.8 up in Jan this year after having a 2.0 for three years. Did think of a 3.5s and wish I had back in Jan but the 2.8 has grown on me and I like the sound. Think you might be better test driving both and seeing for yourself. :driving:
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You know the 28i is a 2.0 right trucker? I'm not being flip it just sounds from your post as though you've moved on from a 2.0, which you hav'nt, as there's no such thing as a 2.8.

Anyway good you like the 28i, I'll be moving from a 3.0 35is, quite a downturn in power but benefits from being lighter so maybe not such a loss. :)
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There are lots of people who stick a dot in a place where there should not be one. ie. 2.0i instead of 20i , 2.8i instead of 28i and 3.5i instead of 35i
You have to wonder how many people have bought a car thinking it has a different sized engine than it actually has.
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Fking lost me with all them there numbers and decimal points :rofl:
 
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