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The IFS, back in 2012 recommended a road pricing scheme to tax all vehicles regardless of power source. ANPR makes this easy(ish) to implement. Pay more to travel in peak times on congested routes and pay less to travel off peak in rural areas. The sooner EVs are forced to pay tax the better, the current offerings are far from green considering the components that go into making / disposing of the batteries and the power generation source required to charge them.

As soon as EVs have a range of 400 miles and can charge in 10 to 15 minutes (a company in Israel has developed a Solid State battery that can do this, so the tech exists, albeit too expensive right now) I will happily use one for commuting up and down the M40. I couldn't care what the power source is for that. Just the small matter of generating and distributing the power needed to charge all these cars overnight and during the day. How are motorists who live in flats, or have on road parking going to be catered for? Charging points replacing parking meters?

I read it takes around £12 / 85kWh to charge a Tesla that is about the same power that my house uses in a week, I'd charge twice a week for my commute, the grid would collapse under the demand if we're all doing that.

The infrastructure required to make this all viable by 2040 is huge.
 
LordOxygen said:
The infrastructure required to make this all viable by 2040 is huge.
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And probably won't happen in time. :rofl: (As usual).
 
I wonder what the car manufactures think, what if they all turned round and said they ain't going to produces electric cars by 2040
 
I have been thinking about motorbikes. Theres not a lot of choice for an electric bike.
For electric cars to be useful they need to be able to go hundreds of miles on one charge, be able to be charged quickly, just like if you are filling a fuel tank on a long journey and not need charged for weeks on end if not used.
Its already been said though, for the amount of cars out on the streets with no driveway or garage there will be extension cables running everywhere to charge cars at peoples homes unless there are hundreds of charging points put in place which will cost the country billions of pounds.
I can see there being a return to basics with the tech in the cars as you will not want to use up valuable battery power by using electric windows, electric seats, seat heating etc
 
Nictrix said:
for the amount of cars out on the streets with no driveway or garage there will be extension cables running everywhere to charge cars at peoples homes
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not even thought about that
 
Taz said:
Nictrix said:
for the amount of cars out on the streets with no driveway or garage there will be extension cables running everywhere to charge cars at peoples homes
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not even thought about that
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And then what is to stop your neighbour using your extension lead to charge his own car.
This will be another expense, having to buy something to lock the power cable to your car while its charging so the neds cant unplug it.
 
LordOxygen said:
I read it takes around £12 / 85kWh to charge a Tesla that is about the same power that my house uses in a week, I'd charge twice a week for my commute, the grid would collapse under the demand if we're all doing that.
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If this is correct and the figures for distance on one charge with the 85kw model is also correct I could commute for almost 3 weeks on one charge.
At the moment I am probably about £40 for the same usage.
But will one charge last for 3 weeks or is 265 miles on one charge only attainable if doing it in one journey?

If you are charging twice a week does that mean that you are commuting over 500 miles a week therefor costing you £24 in a Tesla.
What does that cost you in the car you have now? Its got to be around double.
 
Nictrix said:
LordOxygen said:
I read it takes around £12 / 85kWh to charge a Tesla that is about the same power that my house uses in a week, I'd charge twice a week for my commute, the grid would collapse under the demand if we're all doing that.
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If this is correct and the figures for distance on one charge with the 85kw model is also correct I could commute for almost 3 weeks on one charge.
At the moment I am probably about £40 for the same usage.
But will one charge last for 3 weeks or is 265 miles on one charge only attainable if doing it in one journey?

If you are charging twice a week does that mean that you are commuting over 500 miles a week therefor costing you £24 in a Tesla.
What does that cost you in the car you have now? Its got to be around double.
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I thought it was common knowledge that "filling the tank" on an EV is significantly cheaper than conventional car. Of course you need to build that into the cost of leasing or buying the thing in the first place, savings don't exist if you compare with used mainstream cars (which I buy). Costs aside, I don't want a daily driver with a short range (current car does 600+miles on a tank) I don't want a car off the road for 9 hours at a time while it's charging at home, I don't like lithium iron batteries and I don't like the current lack of infrastructure to charge cars away from home. If that works for you with much lower milage then get a Tesla, they're about £50K Yhttp://www.autotrader.co.uk/used-cars/tesla/model-s. a Nissan Leaf is about half that price new but with a 100ish mile range depending the battery capacity to decide to lease.

As I said in my post above when EVs can cover 400+ miles and charge a solid state battery in under 15 minutes I'll consider one, that's about 10 yrs away according to BMW by which time they should be the price of a regular family car.

The bigger issue is the lack of infrastructure to generate and distribute the power needed to charge millions of cars everyday. It can't be done with the grid as it stands.
 
Best point i heard on radio this week , how do they plan to power the trucks that service the country's needs ?
Electric wouldn't get them very far & how else would deliveries be made ? Canal barge perhaps :D
 
I encourage and support everyone to purchase and drive electric cars.....
Because that will leave more and cheaper gas for me... :P
 
Diesel and petrol will still be around for a long time yet, its only new cars that will change in the short term.

We can expect a whole new battery industry, now is the time to invest in some start-ups.
 
I know this latest move by the Government is all to do with saving the environment but IMHO they really haven't thought this through.

First. They estimate that it will increase the demand for electricity by 20% so how exactly are they going to generate that extra electricity without increasing pollution. Renewables are not going to be the answer as they cannot get anywhere near what we need now. We all know what happens to any product when demand rises so household bills will increase even if you don't own a car.

Second. Presumably the batteries will be based on Lithium as they are now which is highly toxic so imagine trying to dispose of a vast quantity more without polluting the planet. The cost of second hand cars will also plummet as these batteries don't last very long and cost a fortune to replace. (4K approx every 4-6 years in a Nissan Leaf so I am told)

As for charging points where are they all going to be for the millions of cars on our roads. Especially difficult if you live in flats or only have on street parking.

Finally why only cars when lorries, buses and trains are more polluting than cars.

Discuss?
 
There is a very fundamental issue -
We know how any government loves to tax us, vehicle fuel attracts a massive amount of duty. Where will they raise that same duty when there's no petrol or diesel ?
 
They'll replace fuel tax with road charging, every vehicle will be fitted with a tracker that will DD your current account monthly for every mile covered . You'll be fined directly for every speed limit broken and if you don't or can't pay your monthly DD your car will be remotely disabled. Every journey will be monitored and your driving habits will all be kept on file.
The government will not lose out on taxation.
 
Whole thing is inevitable. I love driving. But I am hating driving on UK roads more each year. I hate my commute. Endless people, in my way. I want two forms of driving. The commute - get in something, anything, and arrive at work. Ideally without me having to drive, I can watch vids and chill. Then there is weekend/4am driving, in a sports car loving life. Then there are track days, and finally racing.
I want all 4, and I want something specific to meet my need doing each one.
 
They say there will be no new petrol or diesel cars sold after 2040 and nothing about those still running. I will be 96 and the Zed will be 25 hopefully both still "running" if not just a little slower than present.!
 
Nanu said:
I know this latest move by the Government is all to do with saving the environment but IMHO they really haven't thought this through.

First. They estimate that it will increase the demand for electricity by 20% so how exactly are they going to generate that extra electricity without increasing pollution. Renewables are not going to be the answer as they cannot get anywhere near what we need now. We all know what happens to any product when demand rises so household bills will increase even if you don't own a car.

Second. Presumably the batteries will be based on Lithium as they are now which is highly toxic so imagine trying to dispose of a vast quantity more without polluting the planet. The cost of second hand cars will also plummet as these batteries don't last very long and cost a fortune to replace. (4K approx every 4-6 years in a Nissan Leaf so I am told)

As for charging points where are they all going to be for the millions of cars on our roads. Especially difficult if you live in flats or only have on street parking.

Finally why only cars when lorries, buses and trains are more polluting than cars.

Discuss?
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This.

Virtue signalling politics nothing more. With Honda working on the Hydrogen fuel cell electric battery powered cars are nothing more than a stop gap measure, we have them here at work and they are all but useless unless you are travelling locally (or dont plan to get back) also the infrastructure simply isnt there, even if as above we were producing the electricity required there arent enough places to charge them AND the rental cost of the batteries is insane (https://www.nissan.co.uk/vehicles/new-vehicles/leaf/prices-specifications.html) thats more than I spend on petrol each month :headbang:
 
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